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Offline dmakatra

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Military & Realism Information Section
« on: 19 Mar 2005, 00:46:32 »
Huzzah! :)

I've always used the Mission: Ideas board for my questions when it comes to military realism and information in my OFP missions. However, my last thread regarding this kind of question was locked (I know, it was a while ago, haven't come around posting this until now :D) and I completely understand.

However, OFPEC has allways promoted realism and I see realism and getting the correct military information in my mission just as important as, say, the briefing. I think there are a lot of us that agree with me and let us not forget that OFP has a high percentage of military-active players that know this stuff and wants to share the information with other non-military-knowing people, why spoil that resource?

One of the reasons we play OFP is because it's realism. Military information is a main ingredient in realism. What I suggest is to open a new section, maybe under the Missions Depot part, Military & Realism Information or something like that. I seem to recall that during ny early days there was one such board, but it went OT and flaming because it was more an discussion section than an information section. I don't care about discussing the Iraq war, that I can do on other forums where I can express my opinions. All I want is to get my missions as close to real life as possible.

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« Last Edit: 19 Mar 2005, 00:46:51 by dmakatra »

Offline penguinman

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #1 on: 19 Mar 2005, 01:31:49 »
great idea,

I think people with military experince should all put their emails and aims somewhere so that mission makers can email them with realism questions

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #2 on: 20 Mar 2005, 18:32:44 »
Hey!
I would stick to IMing. As a military man myself, I don't want my address clogged up with e-mails about Operation Flashpoint! Need space for porn  8)!
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Offline dmakatra

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #3 on: 20 Mar 2005, 19:42:40 »
Why IM or E-mail? I'm suggesting a new forum section/board/whatever you call it. Just like Scripting: Ideas or whatever.

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #4 on: 20 Mar 2005, 20:27:08 »
Hey Dmaktra!
Sorry I was working on what penguinman said:
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I think people with military experince should all put their emails and aims
I like the sound of a message board though :thumbsup:!
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« Last Edit: 20 Mar 2005, 20:27:29 by scooter24 »

makkaramies

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #5 on: 21 Mar 2005, 21:37:34 »
WELL YES, WHY NOT. IÂ'M INTERRESTED ;D

THE REALISM MESSAGE BOARD TYPE OF THING WOULD BE COOL.
 
SOMETIMES AFTER A FEW CASES OF BEER, SOME OF THE "RESERVISTS AND ACTIVES" CAN GET QUITE CARRIED AWAY WITH THEIR REAL LIFE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE. USUALLY ITÂ'S HARMLESS "GOOD OLD DAYS BOOT CAMP.... TALKING"

BUT SOMETIMES IT CAN EASILY SLIP TO THE OFPEC SCRIPTING SECTION WITH A HUNDRED LINES OF INFO ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE A BIT "TOO REALISTIC", AND ASKING SOMEBODY TO DO A SCRIPT ABOUT IT...OR SOMETHING...  :o

OOPS .... NOTHING IS TOO REALISTIC IN OFP.....  ;D

BUT I THINK DMAKTRAS IDEA WOULDNT HURT

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #6 on: 21 Mar 2005, 21:40:40 »
Crikey makkaramies, is your Caps Lock key stuck permanently on or something.

Do you know how annoying it is to read all capitals?  ::)  ::)


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« Last Edit: 21 Mar 2005, 21:47:04 by Planck »
I know a little about a lot, and a lot about a little.

makkaramies

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #7 on: 21 Mar 2005, 21:47:15 »
sorry dude ::)

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #8 on: 26 Mar 2005, 21:25:36 »
Hey!
Surely you could do something about it dmakatra. I always thought you had good relations with OFPEC as your previous names (Armsty, The Real Armstrong etc...) were pretty well-known.
     One problem with the realism board is that people who don't have anything to do with the military would start answering. In the end, it'd just be another Beta-Testing board.
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Offline dmakatra

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #9 on: 26 Mar 2005, 21:28:27 »
Well, people who don't know shit about OFP editing still answers editing questions incorrectley (it has happened a few times, yes ;D) and we can all live through that, can't we?

What I would like to see is an OFPEC-staff answer... Noon, Artak, Ktotte, Sefe? Anybody?

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #10 on: 26 Mar 2005, 21:32:56 »
Hey!
Hmm... Maybe you can employ someone (like me! :D) who is or has been in the military. Then he/she can emply other people to staff that board based on a quiz. Then the 'leaders' span of control can answer questions. God knows how it would work! But in truth it wouldn't because people don't/rarely use the search button and the leaders staff would, frankly, get p**sed off with answering the same questions. My solution: stick with BETA testing and ask people what they think realism wise.
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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #11 on: 26 Mar 2005, 21:37:47 »
Like this:

- Hey, what do you think of the realism in the mission?
- Man, you got it all wrong. You need to redo the whole briefing and the intro. Oh, and rescript 80% of that command interface too would ya? And did I mention you need to scrap the whole outro, which you've worked on for 3½ months?
- Oh, if only there was a realism board on OFPEC so I could've asked these questions before this would've happen...

 ;)

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #12 on: 26 Mar 2005, 22:11:01 »
@Scooter24

I think a problem with the task you mentioned, a "Senior" person who "employs" others based on a quiz...well, you must realize also that there are current/prior soldiers in the OFP community that come from various nations, and also carry different ranks or time in service. The purpose of a "quiz" to choose who is selected would be to determine if they are prior military, or if they have enough knowledge to give correct advice? If it's to determine if they were former military, a quiz would not work too well because of the variety of job duties and skills learned throughout the forces of the various nations. And if the answer is one easy enough that all former soldiers from anywhere could answer, then there's not much trouble for a non-military person to just look that info up. And if the quiz was meant to see if the person knows enough knowledge, then you face the same issue. While one person might know a lot about flight operations, they might not know crap about infantry weapons. And in that case, there's nothing going to prevent that person from trying to answer weapons questions just because they think they know the answer.

So I would have to agree that method would be very difficult, if not impossible, to make work.


@Dmakatra

I think this idea is a good one, but in a limited sense. I think that a seperate section in the forums for Military topics would be good, but strict rules would have to be worked out and put in place. There are just some questions or discussions about OFP military realism that I don't think belong in any of the other topics. The addon ideas and mission ideas areas are nice, but some questions don't quite fall into a specific category.

If a new area could be opened for military discussion, I think a few rules like below would have to be used. This would help keep the topic around for its intended purpose, and assist the moderators out in having to constantly lock topics.

Example Rules:

1) No discussing current or past events in a political or religious sense.
2) No posting speculation or opinion, unless directly asked by the original poster.
3) Back up your claims or information with real data when ever possible. If you can't provide proof of your claim, don't get angry if others fail to recognize it.
4) No discussing of classified or confidential weapons, vehicles, equipment, etc.
5) Obviously, no flaming or starting fights about anything.

Mostly this area would be used to ask questions about real military topics such as tactics, weapons, vehicles, uniforms, etc. as needed for OFP addon or mission making. Posts could use links to other military sites, photos, data tables, quotes from sources such as manuals, etc. I understand that most of the questions regarding missions or addons can just be asked in the other areas, but it might be nice to have an area where realistic military addons and missions can be discussed away from the others. If the moderators feel that opening a new section in the forums is not needed, then maybe we can start a topic where all current and former soldiers post their contact information and area of experience? It wouldn't work as well, but it's another option just in case.

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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #13 on: 27 Mar 2005, 17:30:35 »
Hey!
@Dmakatra:-
Alls a Realism board will accomplish is morons saying: "Yo dude! check ya scriptz u pons! pluz dem triggers suk my ass!" - in other words, another BETA testing board. What your asking for is the co-operation of the entire community and we all know that there are idiots out there besides people sensible and intelligent enough to realise the difference between BETA and REALISM.
     Don't get me wrong! I think the idea is great but I can't see how it'd work. And if it did, how long it'd last before John Smith hammers Joe Bloggs because his scripts don't work properly.
     A good idea would be to ask for your mission to be BETA tested first and then have people judge your mission on realism (on the same thread).

@Grunt249
I do realise that method wouldn't work. Alls that would happen in reality is that an admin such as Noon416, Artak and macguba would have to moderate and employ other people to look after it. That would probibly be the only way of keeping the board alive. But then theres another issue, money. Does it cost money to have an additional board for realism? I don't know but if it does and I was the site admin, I'd certainly say use the BETA board.
Thanks guys!
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Re:Military & Realism Information Section
« Reply #14 on: 27 Mar 2005, 17:59:44 »
I know I would like to see a board like this, or even just a sticky topic on one of the exsisting boards. I have a few questions about realism I'd like to ask, and this kinda board/topic sounds perfect  ;)
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