IRA vs British Army and Security forces addons

[Noel_From_Ireland]

Well lataly I have really taken a massive interest in OFP and creating my own missions. Ive started to get the hang of code and all of that, but since im from Ireland, I would very much like to see some addons for the IRA (resistance I suppose) and the British Army (West I suppose). Some of the addons that I for one would like to see is:

Ireland

IRA soldiers (Bomber Jackets / Balaclava or black berry / Jeans / DM boots)
IRA Weapons (claymore mines / Morters / Armilites / Klashnaklov's / Home made arm held rocket launchers / RPG's and any other homemade device)

Britain

Paratroopers armed with SA-80's and those large sacks on there backs)
Westlant Wessex Chopper
Puma Chopper
Lynx Chopper

Police

Armoured Landrovers (but not armoured enough against RPGs) they are also very fast but very poor at taking corners at rapid speed.

The police just look like american swat teams here and ive saw them patrol with HK MP5's and those massive german rifles (GS3? its green anyways )


God if somebody made this I would have a great time

Bye
Noel Craig

[Noel_From_Ireland]

Also, one should take into consideration, the scale of war in the North of Ireland. Tanks were not used, neither were gunships, it all boiled down to recon / Intel, with the IRA and Britain, trying to outsmart each other, rather then cause damage on the same type of scale as other wars like Vietnam.

Therefore, large damage potential weaponary shouldnt be included.

[Josef]

HEY!

How about finally making some molotov cocktails?

Could use a modified napalm script, and some new nades that looked like bottles...

[Messiah]

hmmmm

as for the whole battle - the paras werent used as much as one would think...

they were mostly stantioned in their bases and came out during periods of high civil unrest and possible threats to society...

the SAS were much more involved with Mi6 and Mi5 tracking down IRA leaders, discovering bomb plots and the whole nine yards... and of course the good old assasinations  ;D

the police are a good choice - those landys are sweet and the police rule too. Depends what era you wanted tho - since the police were renamed recently from the Ulster Constabulary, to the NI Police (i think) - Ulster, apparently was insulting to republicans - hmmm

and the rucksacks are called bergans, and they didnt use them much in NI - not much hiking to do and so they didnt need to take all their 3rd line equipment (tents, extra clothes, rat packs) - they just needed webbings and ammo.

making a new island would be cool - base it on NI (would need the new 56x size island) and have belfast etc (sized down of course) and also remote farmhouses where the IRA would hideout and imprison hostages.

and as for weapons - hmmm, those weapons seem a bit more extreme than normal - handguns etc are more common use, and the AK74 is also true - but many older weapons are still in circulation, like FN class weapons (last used in the falklands by the army) - and obv car bombs, molotov cocktails and many homemade weapons etc - but i did see a good documentarty on channel 4 about the IRA - some of the weapons they had were scary - mortars etc, even heavy machine guns.

recreating bloody sunday would be a challenge - good fun (to make) but hard to decide any mission objectives as it was never confirmed if there were any armed men in the croud that was attacked by the paras - i think they shot only one IRA member in an alley way, but the rest were civies  :-\

[Gravedigga]

I find this post extremely distressing and offensive....the ongoing Northern Ireland conflict has resulted in numerous British and Irish lives being taken, which is deeply upsetting for all families and friends involved....to see it described as "God if somebody made this I would have a great time" and "recreating bloody sunday would be a challenge - good fun (to make)" - this is insulting and distressing to all those involved in the conflict....I take a firmly neutral stance on the whole affair, but I wish to see the situation defused as peacefully and satisfactorally as possible. By making out that the IRA hide out in remote farmhouses and take people hostage, and that the entirety of Northern Island is a combat zone with daily battles belies the fact that serious work is being done to remedy the situation, and certainly gives the wrong impression about Ireland as a country...

[Skaven]

Yes, please Noel_From_Ireland let's make this topic purely addon making related, no politics here and no comments like the ones mentioned, it's not that they were extremely agreesive, or against rules,but we have Irish,Brittish,German,Portuguese,Italian,Spanish and god knows how many more people, so some kind of words may be interperted wrong  
Please let's keep this topic soft if you know what I mean, ofpec is a worldwide website so we have to be specially careful when aproaching some topics like this one, the essence ain't wrong, but the nature may open some problems.  

[Vyper]

The Vietnam War is close to many people and a lot don't like to talk about it.....same with all wars, theres always gonna be people who take some kind of offence. but still, i'm a fence guy so i'm gonna sit on it!

As for the idea, a good one.....but conflict is hard to do when its like it is there....If anybody has seen "In The Name Of the father" then the opening scene might be a good one to do....its a riot mainly...which is what N.I. is mostly about, and squad tactical soldiering doesn't really fit in. But i guess its worth a shot. (no pun intended)

Vyper

[Cplme]

Bringing it back on to topic i think the idea is very good and should be taking into consideration... but have to be careful when making missions about Ireland well any war becasue people could be very offeneded anyway like noel is saying making missions/campaigns to do with the conflicts over in Ireland i would suppose a mission like bloody Sunday what ever it was will be taking heavily offensive by many people as that was what started it all.

Cplme out for now

[Messiah]

I find this post extremely distressing and offensive....the ongoing Northern Ireland conflict has resulted in numerous British and Irish lives being taken, which is deeply upsetting for all families and friends involved....to see it described as "God if somebody made this I would have a great time" and "recreating bloody sunday would be a challenge - good fun (to make)" - this is insulting and distressing to all those involved in the conflict....I take a firmly neutral stance on the whole affair, but I wish to see the situation defused as peacefully and satisfactorally as possible. By making out that the IRA hide out in remote farmhouses and take people hostage, and that the entirety of Northern Island is a combat zone with daily battles belies the fact that serious work is being done to remedy the situation, and certainly gives the wrong impression about Ireland as a country...

and i find that insulting...

i dont think i made out they hide out in farmhouses - but since i have studied the NI conflict for 2 years now, i think i know what im talking about... of all the hostages taken by the IRA and the other sects in NI, many were found dead or alive in remote farmhouses just outside of Belfast.

NI isnt a whole land of conflict - and its a very beautiful and lovely place - ive been - the fact that some parts of it can be dangerous and the sectarian violence that occurs does not bode well for its future - and as for shouting abuse at 9 year old school girls on their way to school - now thats sick.

and not how i wrote (to make) - i wrote that in cos i could see some1 come crying abgout how bloody sunday was a terrible event - and it was - but i do not condone what happened or believe it was right - but THIS IS A GAME - dont take things so seriously.

and certainly gives the wrong impression about Ireland as a country...

interesting - ireland is nothing to do with Northern ireland as it happens - so how does this reflect on ireland? - except many of the republicans do drive over from Ireland to help their northern friends cause havoc - and hence why the british army set up road checkpoints in and out of NI.

sorry, but dont start accusing me of things i never said or meant - i know a lot about the NI conflict - and how some1 making some recreation of NI, can in no probable way insult or distress any1 - i dont see vietnam vets complaining - this is just a game, thats all it is, all missions created (well nearly all) are pure fiction - and if based on real events i would like to think people would have the common courtesy not to use the real names.

[Noel_From_Ireland]

Sorry but im sick of the "we cant do this because the IRA are this and the British are that" thats not good enough, what about every other war that ever happened. An awfull lot of IRA men, British soldiers and civilians did die in the war, but look at ow many people died in every other war and that includes civilians.

What I am talking about here is small scale engagements where tactics mean absolutly EVERYTHING! What I dont want to see is the whole idea of planting 29 bombs in belfast and detonating them all...



Mission ideas (based on real life events)

Mountjoy Prison (PIRA) - You will lead a group of PIRA men, in a helechoper, land in the prison and rescue the 3 enprisoned comrades then escape to the evacuation point where these 3 volunteers will be escorted via car to such and such a place. (that really happend.)

Loughgall (SAS) - After the continous destruction of RUC and British Army barracks carried out by the PIRA, the SAS will lay in ambush for the IRA as they blow up the next barracks, the IRA will come with a diggor (with a bomb in the front) (that really happened)

Crossmaglen (PIRA) - You will control the notorious Armagh Sniper, and fire upon a British footpatrol, then escape. (that did happen, just not all in the one go)

Chase (RUC) - you will chase 2 PIRA men, they are in a car, you are in the RUC jeep, Ram the car untill it no longer functions and arrest the suspects, get them before they cross the border (probably happened every bloody day for 30 years)

These kind of ideas people, not bloody mast devastation and insanity.

[Noel_From_Ireland]

skaven, I havent said anything political, so dont bother your backside accusing me of it. I am here to see if this addon can be made, not to stir up trouble. As for you messiah, when I said those rucksacks, I meant the ones that they hold those large CB radio thingys in. When you say they dont patrol that much, you obviously havent lived here, or your tutors been tutoring you incorrectly. I have lived here 19 years of my 19 year life, nowadays, they dont patrol as much because the ceasefire has been declared, when I was growing up, they patroled everywhere, everyday and at any time, the reason I know, is because I was frightened to death of them, because they used to hide up my trees, because they used to hide on top of my garage and because they used to hide in my garden and because they used to hide behind our pillers. The SAS was involved quiet alot, and even 1 or 2 of them were killed, one being a captain and the other im not sure.

Now.. what I wish to know is..

Can the uniforms for the PIRA be made? anyone up for it?
Can the RUC be made?
What about the RUC landrover?
The Diggers?

[Josef]

In theoty?

YES! they can, just not by some fool like me who barely know how to use a script

[Messiah]

As for you messiah, when I said those rucksacks, I meant the ones that they hold those large CB radio thingys in. When you say they dont patrol that much, you obviously havent lived here, or your tutors been tutoring you incorrectly. I have lived here 19 years of my 19 year life

thats what you said... now heres what i said... and quote me on THIS

and the rucksacks are called bergans, and they didnt use them much in NI - not much hiking to do and so they didnt need to take all their 3rd line equipment (tents, extra clothes, rat packs) - they just needed webbings and ammo.

i was talking about the big ass bergans - and they dont use them (much) in NI - as for patrols - i never said patrols - i said hiking, as in long haul, 18km + stuff... not patroling the streets, which, like you said, they did on a daily occurance a while back - now its the police - in their sweet armoured landies...

the police were renamed recently from the Ulster Constabulary, to the NI Police

umm, what are they called now? this one is really hacking at me.

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anyways - on topic - those missions are great ones - some good examples there - i like the prison one, be good fun to chopper in, do some good CQB and then leave - also running street battles would be fun.

the paras are being made by the uk forces team - the sas too, but in cammo 51 - and not civilian - they used to call the SAS the 'mexican bandits' because they grew their hair long and moustaches to fit in with the locals - although never a beard, as this compromises the gas masks.

this sounds like a great mod - love to play running street battles etc - something i think the game lacks - also you could put some plain old guard duty stuff - like rush to a scene of a bomb, and keep the locals back and generally be on guard.

nice idea Noel :thumbsup:

[Noel_From_Ireland]

Thanks for the correction messiah ^_^ and sorry for the outburst of anger all but this post went nuts.

now back to the mod.

Unfortunatly, I cant "really" contribute much to such a mod, what I can do however... is provide real life past occurances so that people wont blow the mod clean out of realism.

I can sortof show what rebels might have looked like plus what they might have looked like when on a special occasion, such as a funeral. Bare in mind that they didnt really wear army clothing in the cities, since this would have them compromised, instead they would have wore, civil clothing with balaclava. During a special occasion such as a funeral for example, then they would wear a full battle dress this includes balaclava (in order to hide identity) and Black gloves and Berray.

I can also provide all the music for things like intros.. I can also cut them and format them to your own specified quality, lenght and format. The songs themselve's. I will handpick to ensure they are rather equal and non-offensive.

Well this is what I can provide, the question remains wether or not your all going to fight over whats right and whats wrong, wars not right period, it doesnt matter where it occurs and how it started and how it ended, its still war and its still not right.

It would require a bit of brains to make something like this and it also brings a new requirement to the whole style of mission designing, this meaning, the missions would have to be extreamly compact, rather than full map. Some items would diffinatly have to be introduced, this would include the equipment I mentioned in the first message. New cities, might not have to be made, instead perhaps an extension on some of them, with perhaps some simple, non-enterable buildings put in. British / RUC barracks might not need to be entered either since there are one or two places on the map that look very much like them.

Its up to yourselves, I thought it was a good idea.  ;D

[Sefe]

Guys, leave the politics aside. This is an OFP editing related forum and as such we don't discuss political issues here (except in POLWAR). I think everyone wants a peaceful solution to this conflict (any conflict in the world) but this is not the right place for debates like that. There are ongoing projects about Desert Storm, Vietnam, WWII etc. During all of those wars people died and it it is tragic that we are still fighting wars, yet we allow OFP-editing related discussions about those topics simply because we keep our discussions free from politics. If you want to discuss the Northern Ireand conflict, use POLWAR.

This thread however is purely editing related and I would appreciate if I wouldn't find any politcs-related posts in this thread anymore.

Thanks.