Someone should make some heavy Bombers

[buzzboy762]

This is just an idea I had after looking all the big planes like Air busses and AWACs. I started to think, if everyone wants to make planes that size, then someone should make a B52 and other long range bombers like that. I also think it would be cool for someone to make like a F-117 NightHawk.

[Jimmy_james]

like that deradnaught helo on the Ofp.CZ site?

[buzzboy762]

No im talking like jets. Not helos(people rely on them to much) But like some sort of long range bomber. It be great if someone could give it tons of bombs to drop.

[Jimmy_james]

i was talking about the bombs they drop outta them

[Messiah]

problem with long range bombers is... well.... there is no long range in ofp  :-\

and they fly so fast in reality that they would fly over most of the islands in a very short time...

some1 did start work on a Nighthawk a while back - dunno where it got to.

:thumbsup:

[Vera_Krieg]

someone has started on a b-52, can't remember were but when it gets done youll know it, i would realy like the AI to fly over and saturate the ground with some bomin'

[tai mai shu]

yeah, and using the "drop command" you ca make some nice looking vapor trails come off of the engine/wings...

[Messiah]

well - problem with a b52, well try this - take a jet in ofp and fly up to 30,000 feet (8000m) not sure if that 8000 in ofp but try going to 8000.... now can you see the gorund? unless your computer is soooo high powered that you have it on 10000 viewdistance then you aint gonna see a b52 bomber

so its eaisier to use a script to simulate a b52 bombing run.

[SEAL84]

Yep....A B52 would be flying higher than you could see it, and if you were up in it you wouldn't see the ground.  Plus none of the OFP runways are big enough for a B52.    

Even so, they carry over 70,000 pounds of bombs, and if you were to carpet bomb a position with one, there would be so much lag as all the bombs go off, you'd be sitting there for a while waiting for it to end.  Try detonating 30 satchel charges all at once...a little lag there....now try 30 Mk84 bombs (which are exponentially more powerful than the biggest explosion we have in OFP) all within a few seconds...hell on earth.

Plus B52's don't run CAS missions.  They bomb big things worthy of dozens of tons of bombs.  They can carry cluster munitions, but that's for like whole divisions caught in the open.  

So in short, no, there's really no use for a B52 in OFP.  

[tai mai shu]

damn, id hate to be a rifleman in a division on a forced march, and have one of those big mothers fly over me, and drop 70, ooo pounds worth of hand grenades on me lol. jeez.

yeah those mk84s are rough stuff, i dont think the ofp engine will even allow explosions that large.  my dad told me about when he was in vietnam (he was a forwardobserver with a ranger unit)  and on rare occasions theyd call in b-52 when they were outside of their artillery coverage.  just a few mk84s would level an entire jungle.  they got a 200 meter kill radius, and anything within 300 meters wont be fighting for the rest of that day  ;D.  a modified b-52 could drop a "Big Blue 42" which is an early version of the daisy cutter.  its a gas-oxygen bomb thats 7 times as efficient as the c-4 high explosives.  it was used occasionally in vietnam, but was most commonly used to clear entire LZ's for the air cav guys.

those things were the size of a Suburban, and would decimate anything for at least 400-500 meters.  WOW.

[Big-Boss]

B1 Lancer: Low altitude prescision bomber! Would be so cool to have one of those in a cutscene, fly over a few villages: then saturate some tanks.

[SEAL84]

I'd be happy with medium-range bombers like the FB111 or A6...small enough to be seen, but still carrying a big load.

Though the B1 is still a big mutha of a plane...initially it was a regular heavy bomber but they changed it's role to low-alititude penetration.  All that means is that the B1 flies low and fast, and that's how it survives.  If one were to fly overhead in a cutscene, it would be a deafening roar and flash, then it would be gone.

You don't tank-plink with a B1.  That's why they developed the A10.

Some basics about the Lancer:

http://www.jetplanes.co.uk/lancer.html

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-1b.htm

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-1.htm

[LimeCordial]

we should have one of them funky looking ones that there was a pic of in one of the old threads.........uh.......a.........bro..........bronco!

thats it, i think it was a bronco.

[SEAL84]

There you go...OV10 Bronco.  A FAC plane capable of carrying machinegun pods and rockets.  

Doable?  Yes.

Useful?  Oh yeah.

[LimeCordial]

yeah, this:

[tai mai shu]

that looks like a monstrosity, a mix between the a10 thunderbolt and that British WW2 long range intereptor (anyone know what im talking about)

a static B52 would look pretty cool sitting on a runway.

[Cplme]

welll just addening abit why have them static we can make them move and fly and what ever else just put the speed down so it flys like all the other air crafts in ofp

cplme out for now

[buzzboy762]

Well back to them B52's. First off whoever said that the thing has to fly at 8000m? And you can take almost any lane off in ofp, just gotta get a runway long enough(make an island). And the game dosnt lag that much when you set off that many explosives. I once set of 400 sachel charges and it only lagged for a second. They would serve a pourpose too because they can do bombing runs on enemy camps, liek they did to them POW camps in nam(saw it on the history channel bout 5 min ago).

[tai mai shu]

jeez, your comp can handle 400 satchels?!?!?!?!  imean, explosions arent that hard to draw, but the shrapnel trajectories have to be calculated in real time, thousands of shards being calculated really lags me up, well, only for a second heh


in Linebacker 2 they didnt blow up our POW camps.  

aerial photography of Hanoi was VERY extensive.  There were U2 flights over hanoi more than twice a day!  the goal of operation Linebacker 2 was the systematic destruction of weapon and training facilities, railways, roads and the carpet bombing of the Ho Chi Minh trail.  In no way was the Hanoi Hilton, or any other subsidiary POW camps, destroyed by any US bomb, nor did any US pilot in any of these camps become a friendly casualty...

[Messiah]

ummmmm - having a B52 flying at a normal height in ofp? u gotta be kidding me - i wouldnt want one of those things any where above me at that height - no eardrums left :noo:

just script it - no one can see a B52 in ofp and its too fast - and having a B52 fly at 250 is a joke - u try and fly summit that big soo slow... its just not very realistic and this is way too big for the game

now a Nighthawk would rock, cos its small, does low level flights and has Jdams (ooh i love them) - great plane with huge potential

B52 - stick with a script - IMHO

:thumbsup:

[tai mai shu]

yeah. just play a recording of a plane flying overhead, and camcreate a ton of bombs. i still think a static b52 is pretty feasible.

[Davy]

ya whel i think we nead a corsiare and some P51 mustangs and outher ww2 light bombers

[Messiah]

mustang - evis has made one

stuka - Marss has made one

anythings else?

[buzzboy762]

Okay how about like a B2 or a B17?

[Messiah]

no, and no

but i wud love a B17 FF (flying fortress)  shame u can only have one gunner  :'(

[tai mai shu]

wouold it be possible, that if your the one and only gunner, when you switch weapons, you switch guns?? like, you could select nose gun, and you move ino the cockpit, then you choose tail gun, go into the tail, belly gun, ball turret, bombardier, etc...
im assuming its impossible, but thatd be very cool, kinda like in that b-17 videogame.

[Messiah]

that was a freaking brilliant game - and i dont think its possible - oh well  :-\

[buzzboy762]

Okay then well a B52 wouldnt be visable for units on the ground, but what about the units up in the air. Not not mention the commands the leader sets could be used to have it bomb things helping the pilot hit around the target. The enemy can try to shoot the b52 down while in the air. The plane would look really cool in cinimatics and adds more to the enviroment.

[LimeCordial]

the only use that would be is if the player was in the aircraft.......the AI cant dogfight properly.

[SEAL84]

The idea that an infantry leader could spot targets for a B52 in OFP is crap.  Can they in real life?  Sure.

But have you ever tried to get an A10 to attack a laser target?  Hell of a time, that is.  And an A10 is designed to fly low and slow...imagine the B52 wallowing around the sky trying to line up a bomb run...damn near impossible.

[buzzboy762]

Yes but with the move and the destroy commands show distance, and the approx location of the thing. You could just fly out around the object then turn and come in on a straight line. I think that you would get used to bombing like that.