Everon Army

[Morglor9]

Who knows what happened to Everon after that little incident with General Guba? Ok, nobody actually does. I'm suggesting that someone make a modern everon army. I got the idea when i saw Christoph's Everon Republic Infantry. Some units could include:
-T72 tanks
-Regular infantry
-Spec Ops
-Mi-2 helicopters
-MiG 21 fighter jet

[Dubieman]

I'd like to see different island's armies. It'd be cool to have those sort of island vs island battles...

As for the technology. I'd think that:

Armor: Mainly BMPs and the T72 is rare, powerful, but expensive toy ;D

air: At most a light heli like a Mi-2 and as for planes, I think a small cennsna or something would be more appropriate. I don't think the islands are very wealthy so....

But then again, if you have friends in high places...

 


infantry: I agree, regulars and commandos

[Morglor9]

to supplement the armour they could also use T55s. I think they need at least something like a MiG-17 or Su22 Fitter. I bet they could also use Mi-8 helicopters, and something like a Beriev 32 K for a transport plane.

[HUSTLA23]

I would think you could have large forces of conscripts, using old vehicles, not much armour. Then, you would have ultra-elite (or so they think) spec op type units wity very expensive toys (probably the newest french mirages, english AA missles, French ECM, and Swiss or Belgien guns. Then add Russian armour, and you have a third world army unit. ;D

[dmakatra]

Where would they get the resources? Better to make some kind of volunteer militia for the islands.

:beat: *Gets Shot* :beat:

[Morglor9]

yes, it should be a smaller army, made up mainly of reserves. also, i think all units should use swiss, german or belgian guns. i get so tired of AKs and M16/M4s. I think an HK G3A4 would do well. mainly older armour, planes and units. Although i said modern army, we must remember that the nation of Everon would have a small economy. also remember that MiG-21s and T72s are over thirty years old...

[Jimpy]

My Everon Army is a volunteer militia with a hard-core of professional
officers and NCOS. They have NATO kit - mainly British; Belgian FN SLRs,
Sterling SMGs, FN MAG GPMGs and some Brens. Despite being militia
(or perhaps because of...) they are dedicated and capable. They pride
themselves on their marksmanship (I give the bad guys HD weapons to
ensure this   ) and fieldcraft (careful mission design ensures this too).
As part of an island militia they are trained in the Marine Light Infantry
role. As such they regularly take part in schemes alongside the Royal
Marines from whom they have earned great respect and as part of their
NATO commitment are affiliated with the British 3rd Commando Brigade.

I too am fed up of Eastern-bloc kit and M16s  

[Morglor9]

that sounds excellent. what do you use for uniforms?

[Jimpy]

British '58 webbing and olive drab battledress. The officers wear British
DPM.

[Morglor9]

excellent. perhaps there's an addon make out there that would bundle these together and write some configs/change armpatches to make an everon army infantry pack.

[Coldfire]

While we're setting up a army for Everon, why not Malden, Nogova and Kolgujev as well? I think we can all agree Kolgujev would most likely be using ex-soviet equipment almost exclusivly... but then again we could arm them with obscure small production arms like the Ukrainian Vepr assault rifle (see link below).
As for Malden: I'd think they'd be more influenced (not to mention supported) by the U.S. and the west... so I'd arm them with things like the Diemaco M/95 (the export version of the Canadian Diemaco C7). As for vehicles I'd use older western tanks like the M60 (not the refited type) as well as older aircraft like the Huey. the explanation being that the US is providing all these things cheap.
Nogova I think has the strongest economy of the islands and may be able to buy higher-end weapons and still remain independent of western support... I'm thinking somthing like a licence-built variation of the SIG SG-540 rifle made by Switzerland with some modifications. Tanks I'd think somthing along the lines of second-hand european designs and aircraft things like the SA 330 Puma.

Vepr Assault rifle:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as68-e.htm

SIG SG-540:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as47-e.htm

[Jimpy]

My Everon troops are set at the period of the Soviet invasion
though (ie. circa 1985). The suggestions for the other islands armies
imply a contemporary date (ie. early 21 st century). If I were making
the Everon Self Defence Force (ESDF) up to date then their kit and organisation
would have to be different. In that case they would probably all wear
British Soldier '95 clothing, private-purchase Arktis chest webbing sets
and have a modern assault rifle firing 5.56mm NATO; most probably the
Heckler & Koch G36, with MG36 light machine guns.
I would imagine that they would have been offered the British L85A1
SA80, but would have rejected it as unreliable (although appreciating its
impressive ballistic accuracy). The US M16 system would have been
rejected for the same reasons. Also tried would be some of the modern
Kalashnikov designs rebored in 5.56mm NATO but they would be rejected
due to their less than optimal ergonomics and lack of accuracy. They
would also have field trialled the Steyr AUG, FN 2000 and the G36 and
finally plumped for the Heckler & Koch due to its proven reliability, accuracy,
modularity and attractive price.
The force would have no heavy armour, probably just the British MCV 80
Warrior and variants with some CVR(T)s. Air mobility would be provided by
Lynx helicopters, which can carry and deliver ordnance if required.

[Morglor9]

@coldfire: I would definately like to see all the BIS islands' armies. especially Nogova, as i could use them in a campaign i'm working on. also, i like the look of the Sig SG-540. would work very nice for our friends on Everon.

@Jimpy: I think the army you're creating is getting kinda pricey for Everon, IMO. The older stuff may work better because:

a. They could buy more of it for the same price.
b. It would keep up the illusion of a poorer country still reeling from the horrors of war and trying to calm it's citizens by having a large army. Remember that it would take a small island a long time to fully recover from an invasion.

just my thoughts.

[FW200]

For nogova:
http://nafp.gotf.net/

[Jimpy]

@Jimpy: I think the army you're creating is getting kinda pricey for Everon, IMO.

You are probably right. The old FN FAL is still an excellent rifle (especially
with the SUIT sight fitted). The FN MAG machine gun is so good that
the yanks dumped their M60 in favour of it! And the Bren is so comfortable
to fire that even the worst shots can get good groups with it, firing off
the bipod. The only thing the Everon "army" infantry are deficient in is
launched grenades which will put them at a disadvantage if going up
against modern armies equipped with under-barrel launchers (believe me
it does!). You might want to give them rifle launched grenades (like the
old British "Energa") to partly redress the balance. The Malvinas mod
has weapons similar to these in their inventory. In accordance with
1980's British practice I give an infantry section about six 66mm LAWs
(with one round each only) in addition to the Carl Gustav (the reloadable
version provided with the Swedish Forces Project pack), so they are quite
capable against light armour.

[Morglor9]

thanks for the link FW200. unfortunately they don't have any downloads (yet!)

@jimpy: I like the idea of the rifle grenades instead of underslung grenade launchers. very old-timey and original (and cheaper). love the FAL, MAG, and Bren.

[havocsquad]

There still has to be some significant armor presence on Everon, you can't just have 5t trucks or Exported Urals as the primary mode of transport for war.

I'd say about 8 T72 Export version tanks, 10 BMP-1's, and 18 BTR-80's.  That should be sufficient for an Army their size and within their budget.

It would probably also be wise for them stock up on affordable and highly effective Air defense assets.   Unfortunately I don't know the price listing for most NATO/Russian SAM/AAA systems.

Don't forget that the U.S. poured at decent helping of many millions of dollars to promote Soviet deterence after CWC, mainly with training and logistic support.  By the time that aid had dried up after the end of the cold war, Everon had spent it on some very much needed military goods.  Thus they had very little debt regarding military spending.

Yes, I totally agree with most of the small arms you've decided on, however I still feel they would keep a large stash of RPG's available for use in wartime.  They are cheap and very effective against those APC's and IFV's that would be the primary enemy should an invasion occur.  Heavy armor is difficult to transport via sea and requires a huge logistic support structure for a large marine invasion.

BTW, what will be the primary choice for the weapon used by the Eveon sniper/designated marksmen?  Just curious.

A highly mobile and capable artillery force is a must in such a small island.  If rapidly deployed and combined with armor, it could significantly forstall or halt a amphibious invasion if there is enough early warning provided.

[Jimpy]

"designated marksmen" would not be used. That is a modern (?)
US Army term, and "designated marksmen" were not part of the
British section organisation in the 1980's which the Everon forces
organisation is based on.
Everon Self Defence Force snipers (with 1980's equipment) use
the British L42A1 (from the Malvinas Mod), although the SLR
with 4x SUIT sight is a pretty good "sharpshooting" rifle in it's
own right. I use the British rifle because given their supposed
affiliation with the Royal Marines I assume that they would have
received sniper training at Specialist Wing, Commando Training
Centre, Royal Marines at Lympstone in England. Yes, those
bewildered foreign-looking boys and girls you might have seen
on the platform at "Lympstone commando" railway station were
probably just off the 'plane from Everon.  

66mm LAWs and Carl Gustavs serve adequately as "RPG"s.

Oh, and by the way, Everon is a former British colony. The
Soviet invasion in 1985 was resisted by the ESDF, Naval Party
8906 Royal Marines, D coy. 2nd Batt. 51st (Highland) volunteers
(TAVR) and the Chipping-Sodbury Young Ornithologists club
(Everon is world famous for it's avian fauna).        The islands
were re-taken by a "task force" composed of 2nd Batt Parachute
Regiment, 40 and 45 cdo. Royal Marines, 5th Gurkha Rifles and
supporting logistics, air and naval forces. The US involvement in
the resistance and liberation of the islands is a gross exaggeration.
 

...and the bird-watchers were all repatriated safely, enjoying the
chance to go home on the QE2 for free (albeit full of grubby soldiers)

[havocsquad]

Sure, and I guess in CWC the U.S. just stood around being doorposts and cleaned up the mess after you got there.  The major flaw in your explanation is that the U.S. was the major prescence of "containment" in the 1980's regarding Communism and besides the UK focusing on Europe and its territories like the Falklands, the UK stayed relatively out of such ventures such as Southeast Asia and the Middle East.

Nothing against your view of how it should happen, but I feel it would be better if it were a little more balanced in its progress.

To me, Everon, Malden and Kolegjev appear to be more Northwest Pacific region islands, near the Kuril Islands.  Not European islands near the Iron Curtain.  There it would make much more sense that the Russians would aggressively try to capture and hold these islands.

[Morglor9]

the history of what happened in 1985 on everon is thoroughly explained in CWC. no one can change it. the point of the ESDF pack would be to create an army for the island so that mission designers can create everon's history and development up to the present and slightly into the future. here's what we have so far:
units: OD green uniforms, british style, FN FALs or SIG SG-540, unknown pistols, LAWs or RPGs and Gustavs for AT. no sniper rifle (yet)
armour: T72s, BMPs, BTRs
aircraft: MiG-21, Beriev Be32 K transport (I think)
helicopters: Lynx, Huey, Mi-8 Hip, or Mi-2 Hoplite
cars and trucks: jeeps or UAZs (most likely UAZs), Urals or 5t Trucks (most likely Urals).
AA: unknown Gun system, most likely 932K Strelas for infanty.

[Jimpy]

Ha ha! As if I care about any of that nonsense! It's a game. A fantasy. I can
change the "history of Everon" and its geographical location any time I like;
*thinks for a second* There I've just done it again....   ;D    The assertion that
the US had to "contain" communism is pure nonsense but I can't argue the
point in this non-political forum.  Anyway, to me this thread is becoming thoroughly
tedious now.  I'm off to ruthlessly purge the ranks of the ESDF.  

"Pooshbolovnye!"  (that's Everonese dialect for "Goodbye for ever")   ;D

[Morglor9]

i don't actually care about the history of everon either, i'm just saying it will be easier to stick loosely to the history that's played out in CWC. anyway, i don't even know why this came up. is there actually some addonmakers that want to make this? i think it would be pretty simple, just some nice easy retexurization jobs.

[Ironsight]

I like the idea of an Everon army but is the Nogovan armed forces project doing exactly the same?  

[Morglor9]

i believe so. also, as we are dealing with 4 small islands that are apparently very close together, i guess they could all fight under the same banner, maybe even become one nation in the 20 years after CWC. for that reason, it may be possible to just us the Nogovan Forces mod and say that all 4 islands fight under the banner of Nogova. less addons for players to download. it could be a great mission, in fact, if you said that the populace of one island rebelled against the main governing body. but that's off topic...

[Ironsight]

i believe so. also, as we are dealing with 4 small islands that are apparently very close together, i guess they could all fight under the same banner, maybe even become one nation in the 20 years after CWC. for that reason, it may be possible to just us the Nogovan Forces mod and say that all 4 islands fight under the banner of Nogova. less addons for players to download. it could be a great mission, in fact, if you said that the populace of one island rebelled against the main governing body. but that's off topic...

I think NAFP is covering Nogova, Malden and Everon. Cause they had the idea to station troops on those islands. I also saw some different troops for Kolgujev some time ago on their old site, so I think all islands are covered