Author Topic: 1949 - Soviets in America??? (Read 8414 times)

Tomasz · « **on:** 08 Dec 2004, 17:16:46 »

Well, I was just falling asleep the other night, when this strange image came into my head.

Imagine if D-Day was a failure, with an outcome of 120,000 US deaths and about 30,000 US POWs, the Allies would have not been able to liberate France before the Soviet Union did.

Imagine the Soviet Union capturing the entire continent, and numerous sabotages on the Nuclear Research on both sides would make a non-atomic conflict shortly after the fall of the Third Reich between Stalin and Thruman.

Since the US army would be really week by now, USSR would first land in the Florida Keys to prepare there, with the help of Cuba, to an Invasion in Florida, in 1949.

Now the picture I was talking about in the beginning, was a wave of Soviet Higgins Boats landing on the beaches with Soviet Conscript ( now veteran ) infantry against the week National Guard on the beach defences

The campaign would feature the Soviet preparations in the Florida Keys for the Invasion of Florida.

What a change of situations, isn't it :hmm:

Oh, and i think all the addons are there

Tomasz

Homefry31464 · « **Reply #1 on:** 08 Dec 2004, 17:35:14 »

I imagine the Manhattan Project would continue if the invasion was a success or a failure, maybe even more so. Although.... if the situation was to stay non-nuclear it would work.

There are also better landing locations than the Key's.... however I think the idea of the attack on America is a good one. Just perhaps move the location from the Key's to somewhere a little more suitable.

dmakatra · « **Reply #2 on:** 08 Dec 2004, 17:39:39 »

Hmmm. I'm no history proffessor but I reckon that The Red Army would've been to drained to even think about going on offense against America if they would capture both The Theird Reich and France and all the countries between. Alone. Not to mention a big part of their infrastructure and their people were slaughterd druing WWII. They just wouldn't have the resources. While the US Army still had loads of resources plus they had the advantage of fighting on their own land. Not even Stalin would be that stupid to launch that kind of offensive.

:beat: *Gets Shot* :beat:

djackl · « **Reply #3 on:** 08 Dec 2004, 17:52:33 »

Where is Britain in all this? Would they have been taken over too? (Very unlikely I think). Apart from that I like the idea.

greg147 · « **Reply #4 on:** 08 Dec 2004, 18:36:08 »

I dunno, I think its impossible that stalin would have gone for world domination, but I also think its impossible that Russia would invade a bunch of islands called Everon, Malden and Kologev. Its a game! It doesn't matter if its unrealistic, the main story line is made up itself. So realism doesn't matter.

If someone did make this mission, I would download it. It seems a good idea to me.

bored_onion · « **Reply #5 on:** 08 Dec 2004, 18:54:56 »

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with the help of Cuba

unlikely, since Cuba was practically a US colony until the socialist revolution under Castro in 1959 so it wouldnt really help

plus i share doubts that the Russian army would have been able to have a war vs America. After 26 million dead (1/2 of the eventual deathtoll from the world) I doubt the USSR would have been to keen to attack the American superpower. it is a common misconception that the Soviet Union was out for world domination - it wasnt but rather wanted to spread communism through rather more subversive means.

dmakatra · « **Reply #6 on:** 08 Dec 2004, 18:56:20 »

It's not the Red Army that invades the Malden Islands, it's a renegade element under Guba's command, not under Moscow's, so it is a bit more realistic. ;D

:beat: *Gets Shot* :beat:

Tomasz · « **Reply #7 on:** 08 Dec 2004, 19:33:01 »

Ok, I've spent some time on research and came to a conclusion that this in anyway would be impossible due to the fact that the American supremacy in economy was 3times higher than the USSR, plus USSR would never stretch itself across the Atlantic ( Americans ruled there ) and the USSR never had the fleet.

I think this topic is solved then.

I'm sorry for the forum space I took. :-\

Tomasz

Tomasz · « **Reply #8 on:** 09 Dec 2004, 14:33:33 »

Well I got a PM asking me if I can unloch this thread due to the fact that the idea is good.

So guys, if you want to see the Soviet flag on the white house, you need to start making a new history from 1918. Hope you get good ideas and will develop the story well enough so that the Russians would have the capability to land in US by 1949.

Only realistic ideas please, a real "what would happen if" scenario.

Tomasz

greg147 · « **Reply #9 on:** 09 Dec 2004, 16:41:32 »

Is this going to be a campaign, or a very long single mission?

Tomasz · « **Reply #10 on:** 09 Dec 2004, 17:11:50 »

It depends from you.

Tomasz

greg147 · « **Reply #11 on:** 09 Dec 2004, 20:12:02 »

I think this would make a very good campaign.

The only problem is that USA was still using Shermans then, and didn't use the M60 until later on, so you would have to use late WW2 addons. Same for russia. They would still be using T-34/85s.

You would also have to find USA weapons, cos the M16 wasn't around either. Maybe you could use M14's?

At least you could keep the AK47s.

But officers would have to have AK47's instead of AK74s.

Tomasz · « **Reply #12 on:** 09 Dec 2004, 20:32:30 »

Ok, we have to totally change the history of the world after the end of WW1.

You can post your ideas, but try to post them in chronological order. Once we get to the very situation when USSR lands on the beaches, we'll make a summary of all the events that happened.

So let me start with the first fact:

In 1917, during one of the clashes on the western front, a young corporal was killed by a shrapnell from a grenade that blew up in his trench. He was born in April 1889, in a small Austrian village Brunnau am Inn. His name was Adolf Hitler.

Follow the chronicle mates!

Tomasz

greg147 · « **Reply #13 on:** 09 Dec 2004, 20:57:55 »

Right you are, here goes...

Germany looses WW1 in 1918. It is left in tatters, and communist jews attempt to take control of the depressed country (same as they did in reality).

They succeed though (unlike in reality). As time goes on, unions are formed, and war is taken out of the question. There hasn't been one in 50 years...

But in 1968, Russia (still communist) suddenly merges with communist Germany, forming the greatest military super-power the world has ever seen. Europe fall instantly to their invasions. The world stands, shocked, unable to do anything but lay down their guns and join the enemy. Europe, Asia and Africa fall to Russian/German hands. Just one continent stands in their way.

America.

South america is unfit for any war at all, and don't even try to fight. The majority of the Russian army stands in Colombia, on the American border. Here stand the finest Defenders in the world. Russia fails to breach the stronghold time and time again, so the communist army decides to take a secret new front. Florida.

I kinda went on for too long, but the story works.

Or at least, I think it would work...

Dubieman · « **Reply #14 on:** 09 Dec 2004, 21:06:22 »

Why are we attacking Florida?

There isn't much there. Wouldn't the russians/germans/whoever go for Washington DC, Eastern cities, or west coast cities?

Then I see it as the Russians having a lot of difficulty taking the Rockies and Appalachain Mountain chains if they got that far. Guerilla warfare?