A Space-Age Mutter

[scooter24]

Hey everyone!
Now, i'm not here to make requests on how to find or build 'space-age' material for Operation Flashpoint. But I am still rather bewildered on how OFPEC cannot accept these products!
     Don't get me wrong, I hate anything futuristic or addons altogether! From Star Wars to Star Trek, i'd rather watch paint dry! But I have to argue a case for people who go to the exact same effort as anyone else to generate products that people might enjoy.
     Let's look at OFPEC's slogun: By the community, for the community. Surely, this should include Space-Age material by one person in the community to another? I'm not being difficult, but that statement either needs to live up to itself or it needs changing.
     If people don't want this genre of addons, you don't have to click "Download". Isn't it like any other field of addon? If you don't like Team Finlanders/Ballastic Addon Studios/Project UK Forces addons, you don't download them! So isn't applying a ban on ultramodern addons resticting freedom of choice and thus discriminating an Operation Flashpoint fan interested in advanced technology?
     We do see missions that include addons that earn 7's, 8's and 9's. Someone might argue that the mission would need a whole host of innovative downloads for the right 'era' to be established. For example, you might need different space-age soldiers with space-age tanks and space-age air units. Take a look at this mission: http://www.ofpec.com/missions_depot/index.php?ID=1150. 68 people have downloaded that mission and all it's addons. You could easily incorporate less space-age downloads into a mission than this one. Enough said.
     I do think OFPEC needs to step out of it's primal age and become a little more broad-minded. Isn't it time for change? After all, we all can decide whether we want this form of addon for a mission, can't we?
Scooter24

PS: If your against this, please don't call me every name under the sun. Think of this as a debate. Not a frenzied arguement!

[Planck]

The point is, the site is not against these addons,

If someone is making such addons they will get help and advice on editing aspects related to making them.

However threads devoted to discussing these addons are not permitted.

Making an addon which is realistic and making an addon that is futuristic or fantasy requires the same editing methods and skills, so it is allowed to get advice and help on the editing for such things.  But you cannot discuss the addons themselves in threads devoted to such.

At least that is my interpretation of the rules.

EDIT:  So.......By the community, for the community....still stands


Planck

[scooter24]

Hey Planck!
Maybe you have misunderstood the rule? Maybe I have? Or maybe this rule isn't displayed clearly enough. But, here are some threads locked because of 'Fantacy' talk:-
http://www.ofpec.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=21450
http://www.ofpec.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=21453
http://www.ofpec.com/yabbse/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=18653
Well, maybe Noon416 doesn't know the rule? Who knows!  
Scooter24

[Planck]

I'm sorry scooter, but those threads were discussions about starting sci-fi mods or addons.  Or attempts at recruitment for such.

This is clearly not allowed.

If someone has started making a sci-fi addon and needs help with editing problems it is ok to ask about such problems in the forums.

What is not allowed is to discuss sci-fi or start threads to reruit for sci-fi.

All those threads you listed are discussions or attempts at recruitment.


Planck

[scooter24]

Hey!
Still, what I don't agree with is the morality of it. Why ban these threads when people can recruit for making addons that are more, 'in our time' but if it's an ultramodern thing we're talking about, BANG(!) it's banned. Why ban these threads if people are allowed to have a discussion on starting 'in our time' mods but (again) if it's sci-fi, BANG(!) your outta here! It hardly seems fair does it?
     There was also a news post about a TO8A2 Arachnida on OFPEC's news source. Doesn't this motivate for more discussions of more sci-fi mods? This is very confusing business.
Scooter24.

[greg147]

All space age stuff isn't only banned, but its redirected to the official BIS forums, so there is somewhere for the poster to post his topic.  

Also, Planck is right about 'if they need help with making the addon, its OK'.
For example, this thread.
http://www.ofpec.com/yabbse/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=22614

[Planck]

when people can recruit for making addons that are more, 'in our time' but if it's an ultramodern thing we're talking about, BANG(!) it's banned

All recruitment, whether for sci-fi or realistic mods or addons are not allowed.

That is what the Recruitment Depot is for.


Planck

[scooter24]

Hey greg147!
Don't get me wrong, I am in full support of helping anyone who needs help with anything including sci-fi material! But, it's this morality issue. Is it right we should allow addons that are more present than those that are futuristic? Is it right we should only allow people to recruit and discuss addons that are present than those that are sci-fi?
     Belive it or not, this is actually a form of discrimination! Discrimination against people who like sci-fi stuff (damn i'm a nerd  )!
     If you ask me, let people upload sci-fi addons and missions. If you dont want them, don't download them!
Scooter24.

PS: I do hate sci-fi but this just puzzles me!

Edit:-
Hey Planck.
I've seen a few threads that contain "will ya join me 4 dis mod m8ey?" in them. Or are these just a one off?
Scooter24.

[Planck]

No........They usually get locked.


Planck

[scooter24]

Hey!
Well alls this thread is about is why don't you allow people to upload sci-fi stuff on to the server? After all, you allow them to discuss/recruit fantacy material. You also post  sci-fi material on the news. Doesn't all this encourage more sci-fi locks etc... Or, is this just a yearning to allow these things into the community? Maybe these questions are best answered by an admin but it's always pleasent to here what the common people think !
Scooter24.

[Planck]

The rules have been as they are for many many years.

Sci-Fi news posts in the Intelligence depot are nothing new.

After all, you allow them to discuss/recruit fantacy material.

This is not true discussion of sci-fi is not allowed in the forums, not is recruitment for either sci-fi or realistic mods or addons.

I'm sure there are forums elsewhere, where people can discuss and recruit for sci-fi or addons, so I see no reason to change the rules for this site.

You wouldn't expect a site devoted to football to start including cricket also now would you.  


Planck

[scooter24]

Hey!
Lol. Well, no I wouldn't expect a football site to include cricket results (sometimes you see international results though  ). But why not allow sci-fi addons to be uploaded? You dont have to download anything you don't want, do you? If you don't like it, you can always delete it  !
Scooter24

[Planck]

Because the addon would not get rated by the reviewers because it is Sci-Fi.

The site is devoted to realistic play.....well.......as realistic as OFP allows.

This argument has been tossed back and forth for years.
And I don't think the site is about to change a policy that has worked very well all this time.

Sci-Fi addons can be downloaded from many other sites, there is no need to have them on this one.

The rules are not about to change, so I really don't think this topic will get anywhere.  The admins have repeatedly said it is  basically ....non-negotiable.

EDIT:  Speeling mistooks

Planck

[scooter24]

Hey!

the addon would not get rated by the reviewers because it is Sci-Fi.

Lol sorry but I don't understand. I'm pretty sure I could review a sci-fi object (such as TO8A2 Arachnida) if asked. After all, all OFPEC's addons are based on quality, realism, example missions/docs and originality (taken from The Rating System, Addons Depot). Okay, so it might not fall under the realism category but this is what The Rating System has to say about Realism:

Realism doesn't mean that the addon is necessarily a real life object or effect but how true to the object / sound etc the addon has come.

I empthesize "doesn't mean that the addon is necessarily real life"  .
     Also, i'm not out to change the rules because that would need a huge particion and even then it would probibally be turned down  ! But it is something that should be considered espesually if its been brought forward on numerous occations  ;D.
Scooter24.

[greg147]

Just thought of something.

If sci-fi isn't allowed, surely stuff in the past shouldn't be allowed either. I don't mean veitnam or WW2, but are topics on, for example, the American Civil War allowed? Theres even been a few about Medieval fighting and Romans  

Just wondering...  

[Planck]

I empthesize "doesn't mean that the addon is necessarily real life"

that is why I said:

The site is devoted to realistic play.....well.......as realistic as OFP allows.

 ;D ;D

Planck

[scooter24]

Hey!
Lol, well what about the:

doesn't mean that the addon is necessarily a real life object

After all, Space-Age items are not real life. But they have potential to become real  !
     I also think greg147 raised a good point (some support! Yay! ) :thumbsup:. If OFPEC is a present site, why are

the American Civil War allowed?

And some:

Medieval fighting and Romans

It is a valid issue  !
Scooter24.

[Planck]

Ha........it is realistic.

The units and weapons from the American Civil War and other historic battles actually existed.  So, they are realistic

Super Duper Gamma Ray guns and warp drive engines on the other hand have never existed.......yet.


Planck

[scooter24]

Hey!
Lol! Super Duper Gamma Ray  ;D! So what it all boils down to is that OFPEC will only allow items from events that have happened/are present. You're allowed to get help on Sci-Fi addon making but your not allowed to upload it. For some reason it doesn't seem right  :-\. It's almost an undecided issue. You've either got to completely allow Sci-Fi addons/discussions etc... Or, you've got to ban it altogether. Maybe OFPEC should introduce a new board that is dedicated to Sci-Fi material? But then again the old "am payin money 4 dis site an am not gonna pay no more ov mah dosh for sum sci-fi nerds!" question might appear (only a little more suttle!) ! There should be a solution to this.
Scooter24!

Edit:-
Belive it or not, EMP Pulse, Lasers and Particle Cannons ARE being introduced into the military  !

[Planck]

There is no need, there are plenty of sites that host sci-fi addons and plenty of forums that allow discussion of the same.


Anyway.....I have to go.....real life calls me, as opposed to sci-fi life.  


Planck

[scooter24]

Hey Planck!
Lol, well maybe it's time to join the club? I suppose that really is an opinion. Thanks for posting, you've been fun to argue with    ;D! But still, theres only been 3 opinions so far so lets pump up the posts!
Scooter24.

[Homefry31464]

Guy's, I could have sworn that there was a search button available for use.... if you had used it perhaps you would have found many threads just like this....

Belive it or not, this is actually a form of discrimination!

No, it's really not.

Well alls this thread is about is why don't you allow people to upload sci-fi stuff on to the server? After all, you allow them to discuss/recruit fantacy material. You also post  sci-fi material on the news. Doesn't all this encourage more sci-fi locks etc... Or, is this just a yearning to allow these things into the community? Maybe these questions are best answered by an admin but it's always pleasent to here what the common people think !

Mate, this is actually a very simple concept your dealing with.  Discussion on Sci-Fi isn't allowed.... discussion on making addons, etc. is.  

I recommend you view this thread:
http://www.ofpec.com/yabbse/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=22478

All of my views, and most everyone elses, is in that thread... that's what the search function is for....

[scooter24]

Hey Homefry!
Maybe your confused on what discrimination is. It's where a majority group out a minority group. For example, if your standing outside an old persons house and she tell you to get lost: thats discrimination because even though your not doing anything wrong, your asked to go. In this case, the majority of OFPEC is singling out people who like Sci-Fi stuff. Look it up .
     Alls i'm asking for is a reason as to why your not allowed to upload Sci-Fi stuff. Saying "It's like that and that's the way it is" hardly constitutes a reason. I am not a fan of Sci-Fi or any form of addons for that matter. I also understand this so-called "simple concept". Alls i'm saying, why not allow Sci-Fi to be uploaded? People do talk about it. You know that better than I do ;D. So why not just allow them to talk about it or construct a board that specializes in Sci-Fi things? It's not difficult and you might see an end to these "simple concepts" when the reality is they need not have been started in the first place !
Scooter24.

PS: If everyone else had used the search button there would only be one thread, not "many" as you said. I'm not the only one who has broke this rule .

[Planck]

Actually, when it comes to Sci-Fi ....I'm one of its biggest fans.

Star Wars......Star Trek.....Sci-Fi films.....I love them......well........the good ones anyway.

But I fully agree with the policy as it is on this site.

I don't feel discriminated against at all and neither should anyone else, they are welcome to get help with their editing problems on this site whether they are making a realistic addon or a sci-fi addon.

As Homefry has said there really are many threads on this very board that have brought this subject up in the past.
I don't expect this thread to fare any better.

 ;D ;D

Planck

[scooter24]

Hey Planck!
Back for more are we ! Well maybe if you made an addon (and we all know how long they take!) that was considered Sci-Fi based, surely you'd feel a little gutted that your going to have to post it at a site that doesn't have nearly enough hits in comparison to OFPEC ?
     I know this thread wont change anything. But I do feel you should cut Sci-Fi fans and designers some slack. Or at the very minimal, make a rule book at highlighting this thread and what your allowed to do and what your not  .
Scooter24.

[Artak]

There were many reasons for this, the biggest one being, that OFP is a combat simulator, based around real physics and suchlike, and thus should be respected for the stand it's taken.

Think about the above and try to see the concept behind OFPEC, the ofp editing website.


This matter is as simple as selecting either a jelly doughnut or a chocolade one.
You can't have both, because that would be too much for a) the one who makes the doughnuts with his sweaty arse and b) for the one who tries to eat it.

When you go buy a magazine, you can choose from many the one you like the best. If it's pr0n you prefer you take one of those. Comics fan takes the Donald Duck. News and porn and Donald Duck aren't all printed in the same magazine.

To be able to bring out the best, you must focus your energy. OFPEC speaks for this statement as the best OFP editing site there is. The power lies in taking a bite you can swallow and frankly, adding sci-fi to the soup we'd need a lot bigger spoon.

You see? There are other sites that do the sci-fi and serve the ones the need. OFPEC should, must and will remain in it's current focus with the resources available to her.

[greg147]

Wow  

Thats a really good explaination.

You should become a lawyer  ;D

[scooter24]

Hey!
Lol Artak, I liked how you refered to OFPEC and OFP as either food or magazines  !
     So basically, what your saying is that if you allow Sci-Fi in OFPEC, there are issues such as web-space and bandwith. Although it is possible to provide these, your not willing to pay for these out your own pocket (completely understand that!).
     Because Operation Flashpoint is based around 1985, your going to keep it that way without introducing more bills to your stockpile. I'm assuming that if Operation Flashpoint was based in a Space-Age environment, you'd ban any uploads on earlier weaponry etc... However, you are willing to provide help on these issues because OFPEC is an editing site.
     BANG! Am I on target? Well why didn't you just say that then !
Scooter24.

[Planck]

However, you are willing to provide help on these issues because OFPEC is an editing site.
    BANG! Am I on target? Well why didn't you just say that then

I thought we had.  


Planck

[scooter24]

Hey!
Lol well you probibally did, byt then again your forgetting i'm an idiot :help: ;D! But then again I must be smart to understand Artaks "doughnut, porn-donald duck magazine and soup explanation !" Lol, they ought to make this thread a sticky or at least post Artaks answer on the Addon section (depot or forum) ;D.
Scooter24.