Cruisers n Big ol Battleships

[Hudson]

Just seeing the shockwave in the water on the last pic would be enuf to make me surrender and sign a treaty.

[calm_terror]

helo pad was added much much later..
that was not part of the ship that USE to be a float plane launch.. NOT a Helo pad.. same with the tomahawks.
all that crap was added durign the 60's to 80's

[Vyper]

Oh dear, well give me a can opener and i could sink that thing no worries!

Vyper

[Mr_Shady]

Thing is, some sneaky combat divers could sink that thing using explosives without much fuss. I guess it's not size that matters, it's where you stick it  


(I've been dying to work that one in for a while now  ;D)

[p00_p00]

Brits use the more pratical Destroyer, over the big bulky Battleships. Their mainly terror weapons of the 20's,30's.

Anyone wanna make the BISMARK (cant spell, sorry), but yeah the ULTIMATE Battleship ever which took a few days of bombings, torpedoing before it finally sank!

[rancor_man67]

Isn't this amusing, this is exactly how they did it in real life, although for a different reason...

Hehe,

I dont think that they would have trouble with daft AI back in world war 2.

Another thing:

How big can you make things in ofp anyway?? Is it possible to make things as big as the Bismark???

Rancor.

[bigdog632]

is the water deep enough to handle a full "scale" replica of it?

[p00_p00]

Well the TOW team made the LSD which is 7 levels. I think the Battleships will be around that height, but much longer.....


On the topics of Ships still - is there a working LST, which can actually store Tanks and troops and land on the shores? (oh and a working cannon!)

[swift88]

there is a ship made by falklands MOD, nad they have many other ships coming

[Mr_Shady]

Thing is, the Falklands mod make ships in sections usually, like their Hermes Light Carrier. You get the bow, stern and middle sections, and place them down as empty objects in the editor. Obviously, that means they can't move, but since most fighting involving the Royal Navy was done at anchor, it's no big deal. I actually think it's a better idea than making a huge battleship that can move, since they're really slow, and are basically eye-candy.

On the subject of the British using destroyers over battleships, it's partly because they're cheaper, need less crew, are faster, more manueverable and don't need to be moored offshore or in a huge, specially-built dock. Besides, the Royal Navy's one of the best navies in the world, and has a tradition of going up against crazy odds and coming out of it pretty much alright. The advent of the aircraft carrier pretty much sealed the fate of the battleship and battlecruiser, since one plane with torpedoes (or anti-ship missiles nowadays) could sink a massive ship if it got lucky. Also, planes can deliver ordnance much further inland than a gun can, and with greater accuracy, and if a plane can't get in, a cruise missile could do the job just as well.

[swift88]

off topic, im joing the fleet air arm in a few years
on -topic......... think wat an exocet missile could do to the iowa class battle ship if they where involved in the falklands

[calm_terror]

ok to make a note a plane and missile can be seen on radar and shot down. an in coming 16in shell can not. then only thing you cna do againest a 16in shell is duck and kiss your ass hoping it will not blow the crap out of the bunker.
on a note the birtish can never hit anything with shells. the normandy beach head was where the brits had to land shells but they bascial missed everythingsame in actual sea battle. the brits just suck at aiming a ship. the american battle ships could land a 3 16in shells (1 armour peircings 2 high exsposive) right onto a bunker blowing it apart..
the US had better battleships then most other nations, and more accurate.
but all this is pointless since it would be a nightmare trying toget all the cannons in the right place and get them to fire.
oh on a side note battleships can live through alot of damage.
look at pearl harbor.. only 1 battleship was actual sunk and lost.
all the others where quickly raised and fixed..

[Mr_Shady]

To put this straight:

The pre-invasion bombardments at Normandy were all woefully inaccurate. Also, the German bunkers were all but impervious to pretty much any shell that hit them, and were only put out of action when troops cleared them out. There was no "sea battle" on D-Day, save perhaps an E-Boat sneaking through and torpedoing an LST, but these incidents were incredibly rare. And to say "the birtish can never hit anything with shells" is not only untrue but a pretty dumb thing to say. Some battles during the Falklands War were won before they'd begun because the Royal Navy shelled the crap out of the Argentine forces with great accuracy. But enough of this, don't want to get the thread locked.

I disagree on the shell vs. jet thing too, since a jet is more versatile than a 16" shell, more accurate, and can be retasked in mid flight. If you fire a twelve-round salvo at a target, if you find out that it was a red cross building you flattened, you'd be pretty embarrassed about it to say the least. If a strike aircraft's attacking that same target, they could probably tell if it was a red-cross building beforehand, retask and hit the real target. The argument that a plane can be shot down and and a shell can't is a bit duff, since an in-depth attack would have fighter escorts as well as missiles for self-defence, and a preliminary fighter sweep that knocked out air defences with anti-radar missiles (ALARM, HARM etc.) first. Also, planed can go much further than a shell, and can tell you if they hit the target. Shells require the boat to be in range, which might bring them onto mines off the coast of the target, or into range of enemy ground-based aircraft. Besides, if battleships are so great, why have they been retired by most countries?

[swift88]

to put you straight, us Brits arent shit at hitting targets !!! we are just cautious, unlike you americans whom like to kill a few brits on ops (house hold cav. soldier in a scorpian in iraq freedom)
I live not too far away from the windsor barracks, (they would put u straight) and i feel that americans are THE SAME at aiming as the brits, but we dont incounter blue on blue (freindly fire) like the americans
gulf war i - soldiers killed in a scorpian
afganistan- canadians killed by f-16 pilot
iraq freedom (gulafwar ii)- soldier killed as a result of an american airstrike on a scorpian

[Vyper]

I feel this could degrade into American Vs World arguements....

We're all shite at everything..lets face it, being good at something in a time of war isn't something to be proud of!

Vyper