HAWK SAM

[nfshotrods]

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[RT]

What you mean like, and dare I say the word....command & conquer SAM sites? Sorry if that made anyone cry hearing that dirty word on a OFP site  

[Chomps]

Sounds like a good idea.  It could be used to shoot down any of the existing air units and offer an actual challenge to any MiG addons anyone makes.  Of course, it can be used as a target for Soviet missions and even just to make bases look a little more complete.

[RT]

Thinking about it if they were automated then as you say they would make air attacks which r often the easiest attack option quite difficult and ppl my well go back to ground attacking, the more I think about it the more I like the idea.

[LimeCordial]

do or did automated sam sites exist?

[Messiah]

the Rapier system is automated

and that Hawk SAM has been made already by colonel_klink - not sure if hes anywhere near releasing it.

[nfshotrods]

What you mean like, and dare I say the word....command & conquer SAM sites? Sorry if that made anyone cry hearing that dirty word on a OFP site  

No not CnC-style sam-sites, but you can use them to protect targets in airstrike missions

[ZIKAN]

Yes i think this would be good in MP missions. How many times have you played capture the flag or TDM, and someone has base raped you and destroyed all your equipment before you had a chance to get kitted out etc....

[Eviscerator]

sams like this arent able to be made in ofp realisticly, proxys cant rotate, these are used to make the missiles that detach, tube launched missiles are fine but the rapier and stinger wont look real as the missiles cant move if they are proxies if i remember correctly this is why klink stopped working on it or at least put it on hold until there are some changes in the engine

[ZIKAN]

OK so if missiles cant move, how come the Maverik missile will detach and launch on a A-10? Im just kind of confused about that and what you have said Eviscerator.

[Eviscerator]

when you fire a maverick on the a10 the proxy disappears and is replaced by a new model that can fire, the proxy never actually moves, it cant move around the model, it has to be static

[Stalker]

when you fire a maverick on the a10 the proxy disappears and is replaced by a new model that can fire, the proxy never actually moves, it cant move around the model, it has to be static

So why we can't do the same in SAM ?

[Eviscerator]

because a rapier spins round to target aircraft, same with the hawk i think, the main body would spin but the rockets wouldnt move

[nfshotrods]

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[tai mai shu]

how come the a10 can rotate around?  the proxis are attached to the wings, right?  so therefore the proxies turn as the vehicle turns.  why not make the proxies mounted on a Turret?

[ZIKAN]

Can you remember seeing the BMP with the rocket above the cannon on the advertising for OFP? yet in the game it wasnt there? i guess this proves its not possible to implement in the game, otherwise they would have had one for the BMP.

[imemyself]

If someone made the Hawk SAM they would really have to have real radar that you can lock on to, because the HAWK SAM has a range of like 35miles.

[KTottE]

@tai mai shu:
The A10 doesn't "rotate". It turns. The whole vehicle I mean.
In the case of the HAWK battery, there would have to be a turret that moves independent of the main body.

@Stalker:
If we did the same on the HAWK as on the A10, the HAWK would only be able to aim in one direction. Or you would have to move the entire base of the HAWK, which isn't very realistic at all.

Cheers, KTottE

[Chomps]

I see now a bunch of new addons with animations.

Tell me if this will not work.... Have the missiles as part of the main model, rotating as on a turret.  When the HAWK fires, the missile part of the model swings down into the ground as an animation, and the firable missle model is placed and off it goes.

I know it is possible to have animated objects on turrets, since you can turn out on the top of a tank.

Also, would it help if each of the three missiles were classified as separate weapons?

[Eviscerator]

things like tank turning in/out are hard coded in ofp, you cant edit them, the only animations we can define are rotation for firing and doors closing, which need you to select it from the action menu outside the vehicle/house for it to work

[Chomps]

things like tank turning in/out are hard coded in ofp, you cant edit them, the only animations we can define are rotation for firing and doors closing, which need you to select it from the action menu outside the vehicle/house for it to work

Oh, okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.   ;D

[tai mai shu]

what about the bmp-2 with the missile on top?!?!? that missile rotates w/ the turret.....

[Chomps]

what about the bmp-2 with the missile on top?!?!? that missile rotates w/ the turret.....

Yes, but notice how you cannot see the actual missile.  All it is is a tube attached to the turret which spawns a missle in front of it when it fires.

In the original demo, I remeber seeing the BMP with an exposed missile.... I wonder why the code for it was not used. I always thought it was because the missile made the tank look weird, but that was a personal opinion.

[blath]

ok so 2 units- the turret and the base. turret spins, base sits there doin absolutely nothin except lookin pretty
setpos the turret on top and voila- 1 stationary placement with the top bit turnin (includin missiles)

not quite ideal i know but if this is possible (knowin my technical ability ive propably 4gotten sumthin major) then surely it wud work


blath

[Messiah]

Can you remember seeing the BMP with the rocket above the cannon on the advertising for OFP? yet in the game it wasnt there? i guess this proves its not possible to implement in the game, otherwise they would have had one for the BMP.

ummm - that would be the BMP2 ? and thats in the game.... unless you are describing something else.

[ZIKAN]

Yes i am describing something else, the BMP 1.
 If you look just above the cannon there is a rack for a rocket. There should be one on there. If it was possible to have one surely they would of put one there, but  in OFP it seems its impossible to have one on a turret, (so far)
The BMP 2 does indeed have a rocket but its in a tube, so you dont actually see the rocket.

[KTottE]

Rather, it has a rocket launcher. There's no rocket in the tube, much the same way there's no bullet in the M16 barrel. The rocket object spawns at the end of the tube when it's fired, and fly off to destroy some innocent M2A2's.

It's accomplished using so called memory points, which can and do, follow the turret when it spins.

[LimeCordial]

is this it?