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« on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:04:52 »

when (was it fliper's?) tool for editing models is released, could someone have a go at one of these? a BMP 4. no pics but some info.......it's based on the t55 with a similar turret to the btr-80.

info from fas.org:

Russia's latest attempt at a tracked APC is the BMP-4/BTR-T [BMP = Boyevaya Mashina Pyekhota - Infantry Fighting Vehicle / BTR-T = Bronyetransporter-Tyazhelyy - Armored Transporter -Heavy]. It is a modified T-55 chassis with a similar turret to the BTR-80A. The configuration is based on lessons learned in Chechnya, where very heavy losses were inflicted on thin-skinned BMPs and BTRs. In response, this heavy, more survivable APC was designed for improved service in city fighting for possible use by specialized formations trained for urban warfare. It is unclear if the BTR-T will be produced for the Russian Army or for export only. This vehicle, which is too slow to keep pace with modern tanks, is unsuitabile for maneuver warfare though it mighte find applications in mountainous regions.

Speed 60/25
Armor 22r/6r
Night Vision A or T
Armament 2A42 30mm AC (12), Konkurs (AT-5) ATGM, LMG; Stands: 1  
« Reply #1 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:11:04 »

theres no pictures of the bmp 4 anywhere, so how will the person know where to place the turret, or whether its different? and modified chassis can mean a lot of things, it can mean the different between this:

and this:

the shilka is a modified pt-76 chassis, but looks nothing like it
« Reply #2 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:15:02 »

i was thinking about just replacing the t55 turret with the one from the btr-80.

although, i suppose it would be best to have some pics.....oh well.
« Reply #3 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:18:14 »

er theres no btr 80 to use...and photos are a must otherwise youll have no idea what modifications have been made
« Reply #4 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:20:41 »

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« Reply #5 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:22:52 »

info from fas:

In an attempt to improve the amphibious characteristics and increase the combat power of their wheeled reconnaissance vehicles, the Soviets produced the BRDM-2. This vehicle differs from the original BRDM in that the powerplant has improved and moved to the rear of the vehicle, and that a small 14.5mm machinegun-armed turret has been fitted. This turret is identical to that found on the BTR-60PB armored personnel carrier. The original BRDM (BTR-40P) first appeared in 1959. The BRDM-2 also is known as BTR-40P-2 or BTR-40PB (hence also BTR-40P-2rkh or BTR-40PB-rkh, etc.). It was first seen in 1966 and by the mid-1980s was rapidly replacing the BRDM in the Soviet and Warsaw Pact armies. Care must be taken to distinguish the BRDM-2 from the Hungarian FUG (OT-65) and FUG-70 amphibious scout cars which also have rear engines but have twin waterjets.

The BRDM-2 series, with maximum armor of 14 mm, can be penetrated by artillery fragments and .50 caliber machine gun fire. Its tires are not protected by armor and are particularly vulnerable to puncture from fire of all kinds.

Like the earlier BRDM, the BRDM-2 is a fully armored, four-wheel drive, amphibious reconnaissance vehicle with two pairs of belly wheels and a centralized tire pressure regulation system for increased cross-country capability and a single water jet for propulsion through water. Externally, it differs from the BRDM due to a larger, box-like hull. It retains the boat-like bow of the BRDM, but the crew compartment has been moved farther forward and the engine has been moved to the rear. In the basic model, a small conical turret is mounted on the hull in a central position above the belly wheels. There are two front cupolas, and vision blocks are located centrally on both sides. The engine is larger than in the BRDM (140hp V-8 as opposed to 90hp 6-cylinder). The BRDM-2 is fitted with an IR spotlight and IR driving lights as well as an NBC filter system.

Like the BRDM, the BRDM-2 exists in several versions, the first four of which have the same roles as their BRDM counterparts:

BRDM-2 reconnaissance vehicle is distinguished by its turret, which is the same as that mounted on the BTR-60PB. The conical turret, which mounts two machine guns (1 4.5-mm and 7.62-mm), is unusual in that is has no top hatch opening. This model carries a crew of four (commander, gunner, driver, and co-driver). It also has a land navigation system that gives coordinate readings.

The ATGM launcher vehicle (BRDM-2) is used for the AT-2/SWATTER, AT-3/SAGGER and AT-5/SPANDREL. The ATGM launcher replaces the turret. This model is found in regimental and divisional antitank units of motorized rifle divisions and in the antitank regiment or brigade in the artillery division of a front.
9P122 variant with 6-rail AT-3 ATGM launcher
9P124 variant with 4-rail AT-2 MCLOS ATGM launcher
9P133 variant with 6-rail AT-3C SACLOS ATGM launcher
9P137 variant with 5-rail AT-5 ATGM launcher
9P148 variant with 5-rail AT-4 or AT-5 ATGM launcher.
BRDM-2rkh radiological-chemical reconnaissance vehicle is fitted with dispensers for emplacing warning flags around contaminated areas. It is found in the regimental chemical defense company and at the division level in the chemical defense battalion as well as in the reconnaissance battalion.
BRDM-2U command vehicle has no turret but carries a generator and extra radios. The increased number of antennas marks this version as a command and control vehicle. It is found in battalion and regimental headquarters of maneuver units and also is used extensively by artillery units.
SA-9/GASKIN transporter-erector-launcher (TEL) also is based on the BRDM-2 chassis. The surface-to-air missile launching system with quadruple canisters replaces the machine gun turret on top of the vehicle and is capable of 360 degrees traverse and limited elevation. The crew of this version is estimated at four.

Polish modernized variant has been offered in five versions, with upgrades such as: 12.7-mm MG, improved PKT MG mount, roof-mounted AT-4 ATGM, surveillance radar, improved fire control, etc.

Alternative Designations GAZ 41-08
Date of Introduction 1963
Proliferation At least 45 countries
Crew 4
Troop Capacity 0 (for this configuration)
Combat Weight (mt) 7.0
Chassis Length Overall (m) 5.75
Height Overall (m) 2.31
Width Overall (m) 2.75
Ground Pressure (kg/cm 2 ) INA
Drive Formula 4 x 4 (+ 4 auxiliary wheels)
Automotive Performance  
Engine Type 140-hp Gasoline
Cruising Range (km) 750
Max Road Speed (km/h) 95
Max Off-Road INA
Average Cross-Country INA
Max Swim 10
Fording Depths (m) Amphibious
Radio R-123
Armor, Turret Front (mm) 10
Applique Armor (mm) N/A
Explosive Reactive Armor (mm) N/A
Mineclearing Equipment N/A
Self-Entrenching Blade N/A
Active Protective System N/A
NBC Protection System Collective
Smoke Equipment N/A
Main Armament  
Caliber, Type, Name 14.5-mm Machinegun KPVT
Rate of Fire (rd/min) 150 practical/600 cyclic
Loader Type Belt feed
Ready/Stowed Rounds 500/0
Elevation (°) -5 / +30
Fire on Move Yes
Auxiliary Weapon  
Caliber, Type, Name 7.62-mm (7.62x 54R) Machinegun PKT
Mount Type Coax
Maximum Aimed Range (m) 1,500
Max Effective Range (m)  
Day 1,000m / 400-500 on the move
Night N/A
Fire on Move Yes
Rate of Fire (rd/min) 250 practical / 650 cyclic in 2-10 round bursts
ATGM Launcher N/A
Firing Ports INA
FCS Name N/A
Main Gun Stabilization N/A
Rangefinder N/A
Infrared Searchlight INA
Sights w/Magnification  
Day PP-61AM
Field of View (°) 23
Acquisition Range (m) 2,000
Night N/A
Field of View (°) INA
Acquisition Range (m) INA
Commander Fire Main Gun No
Caliber, Type, Name  
14.5-mm API-T
Maximum Aimed Range (m) INA
Max Effective Range (m)  
Day 2,000
Night INA
Tactical AA Range 1,400
Armor Penetration (mm) 20 at 1,000 m/30 at 500 m
Other Ammunition Types 14.5-mm API, I-T, HE-T Type MDZ  

oh heres a pic of btr-80 btw:

« Reply #6 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:29:02 »

you cant have any rockets on a wheeled vehicle, so just turrets, the brdm with a 14.5mm would be good though
« Reply #7 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:31:29 »

the grnade launcher version too.
« Reply #8 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:33:07 »

grenade launchers dont work either...
« Reply #9 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:39:16 »

grenade launchers dont work either...

Fraid they do.
Edgecrusher made some nice M113 that fired mortars and Grenades.
« Reply #10 on: 31 Aug 2002, 22:41:35 »

oh dear. perhaps someone could do what you were thinking about wth the bm-21?
« Reply #11 on: 01 Sep 2002, 00:17:16 »

grenade launchers dont work either...

Fraid they do.
Edgecrusher made some nice M113 that fired mortars and Grenades.

when did the m113 start having wheels?
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Bugger this for a game of soldiers!

« Reply #12 on: 01 Sep 2002, 12:39:34 »

when chicken licken said the sky was falling  ;D

Beer is the fuel for the Heavy Metal Engine.
« Reply #13 on: 01 Sep 2002, 12:43:05 »

M113 on wheels  :wow:Huh??....LLOOOOOOOLLLL.....
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