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« on: 14 Nov 2004, 23:41:29 »
I know this has been said before (And for the life of me I can't remember where that topic is...) but why is it that you only accept people to help out who are over 18? I just saw the 'The Intel Depot is hiring' thing, and I was going to submit for it, but alas I am only 14! I just want some sort of reason for the age cutoff as I'm sure that (provided they are given a thorough immaturity screening of course  ;D) there are quite a few under-18s who would really like to give you guys some help.

P.S. I could do some work off the books too (macgubas running boy perhaps?)
I can imagine it now -

macguba : Bring my coffee boy!!! ME =  :tomato:
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« Reply #1 on: 15 Nov 2004, 00:19:45 »
good question, i was thinking of helping out the ed depot maybe, but have the same problem, alas, i'm only 15  :-\

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« Reply #2 on: 15 Nov 2004, 01:09:23 »
Put simply, all under-18's that we've hired have ended up falling over due to the following;
- Failing to deliver the required workload, due to real life commitments
- Failing to deliver the required workload, due to lack of interest
- Failing to maintain a mature attitude while representing OFPEC in the community
- Quiting due to being unable to meet workload requirements
- Just giving up and "not turned up for work", so to speak
- Finding out that working for OFPEC wasn't the 'glamorous' job they thought it was
- etc

Unfortunate as it is, we just haven't had any staff under 18 that have been reliable enough to keep. And every time we've relaxed the rule and taken on some younger staff, we experience the above all over again and are reminded why we have the rule in the first place.

Yes, some of you will claim that over-18 staff have done the same. But the reality is that only a small portion of over-18 staff have been removed or quit due to the above reasons. Contrast that with every under-18 having been removed or quit due to the above reasons, and you'll see why 18 is the cutoff.


This issue has come up in the past (many times), and unfortunately the answer has always come back to the same old reasons and we have no reason to review it again anytime in the near future.
« Last Edit: 15 Nov 2004, 01:12:23 by Noon416 »
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« Reply #3 on: 15 Nov 2004, 01:10:25 »
I'll let an admin answer... they always know just what to say...  It's a legal thing I think... can't really remember exactly.

EDIT:  Apparently I was to late.
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« Reply #4 on: 15 Nov 2004, 02:09:09 »


- Failing to maintain a mature attitude while representing OFPEC in the community





 ::) and then you look at his avy ...all coooooooocked up!  :-X ;D :booty:






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« Reply #5 on: 15 Nov 2004, 02:32:55 »
*Adds a "No Tomb" rule to the list*

;)



I meant more along the lines of "Behaving in a disreputable manner that damages OFPEC's community relations by association".
"If a man talks in the woods and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"

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« Reply #6 on: 15 Nov 2004, 07:43:54 »
okey dokey, thanks for the swift clarification  :)

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« Reply #7 on: 15 Nov 2004, 10:34:16 »
this question is older than most ppl asking  ;D
Get those missions out there you morons!

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« Reply #8 on: 15 Dec 2004, 20:39:27 »
I think those reasons aren't too good..
If someone goes to all the trouble of signing up to be part of the team, they obviously aren't immature, quiting, lazy little.... ::)
The reasons (Mainly ones like "Failing to deliver the required workload, due to real life commitments", and "Finding out that working for OFPEC wasn't the 'glamorous' job they thought it was"), can easily apply to people over 18. And "Failing to deliver the required workload, due to lack of interest" too, that could quite easily apply to a 86 year old, couldn't it..

I think maybe a better rule would be "Applicants must active in community, and have some knoledge of scripting and mission making", or similar

Thats my thoughts..
And to prove it, what age do you think I am?
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« Reply #9 on: 15 Dec 2004, 21:28:31 »
Yes, those rules could apply to anyone, but they do even more so to people under 18, because they have schooling, etc. to deal with.  

Simply put, the rules are based on past history, not logic.
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« Reply #10 on: 15 Dec 2004, 21:50:11 »
Shall we just tell 'em then?

fellow staffers: *Macho, don't ...... noooooooo ..... *

Becomming a staffer gives you instant a access to our very private ofpec-24h-hardporn-forumTM & channel. European law just doesn't allow us to show this to anyone under 18. This is why people under 18 can't be staffers. :o


Just pulling your leg m8 ;)
Get those missions out there you morons!

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« Reply #11 on: 15 Dec 2004, 21:53:23 »
lmao  :D
thats great  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #12 on: 16 Dec 2004, 03:17:41 »
...The reasons (Mainly ones like "Failing to deliver the required workload, due to real life commitments", and "Finding out that working for OFPEC wasn't the 'glamorous' job they thought it was"), can easily apply to people over 18. And "Failing to deliver the required workload, due to lack of interest" too, that could quite easily apply to a 86 year old, couldn't it...

Yes, some of you will claim that over-18 staff have done the same. But the reality is that only a small portion of over-18 staff have been removed or quit due to the above reasons. Contrast that with every under-18 having been removed or quit due to the above reasons, and you'll see why 18 is the cutoff.
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« Reply #13 on: 16 Dec 2004, 04:11:54 »
idea(even though it will probabley be rejected for some reason i haven't thought of):
perhaps you could limit it to a slightly younger age, and then when people apply, take a look at there history at the site, what they've done for the community, and rule infractions, warnings, contributions, time spent at the site, and many more possibilities... and make your decision based on that?

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« Reply #14 on: 16 Dec 2004, 04:26:34 »
Been there, done that. In the past we've had under-18 staff that have been very active in the community, very skilled, etc etc. And every time, it all came back to...
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Unfortunate as it is, we just haven't had any staff under 18 that have been reliable enough to keep. And every time we've relaxed the rule and taken on some younger staff, we experience the above all over again and are reminded why we have the rule in the first place.
"If a man talks in the woods and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"

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« Reply #15 on: 16 Dec 2004, 05:06:01 »
ahh.. ok  :-X

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« Reply #16 on: 03 Feb 2005, 18:03:03 »
Your only 15 triggerhappy??!! Woah!
Well how about part time mission depot staff.. full time only allowed for over 18s and part time for anyone under the cutoff. the 16-18 age range in UK has the highest percentage of unemployment as people have just left schools, have little experience in the workfield and theres a lower amount of jobs for under 18s.. less commitments for unemployed bums like me  ;D

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« Reply #17 on: 03 Feb 2005, 19:18:05 »
ere we go again! :(
Get those missions out there you morons!

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« Reply #18 on: 03 Feb 2005, 20:35:00 »
Ahh! Why restart this....

Its the rule, just like in your own country, if you shoot an innocent person, you get punished. Here if you work at ofpec, your 18. :P

Simple as that. ::)


@Xcess: I remember an old thread on this, it said something about if ya wanna be a "part-timer" then just put a review in the comments board. :P

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« Reply #19 on: 03 Feb 2005, 20:47:52 »
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Its the rule, just like in your own country, if you shoot an innocent person, you get punished. Here if you work at ofpec, your 18
Not a very good figure of speech I'd say.  ;D

It's more like you have to be 18 to drive a 10-wheeled monster truck to get all the woman's attention, just like you have to be 18 to work for OFPEC.


Commenting missions is greatly appreciated by the staff and I would say the whole community and mostly by the author. I dream of the day my missions will get commented and so must every other author as well.
Don't think that reviewers and everyone who downloads the mission don't read the comments. They do.  ;)

Also before macguba reminds you all about the importance of beta testing, I'd like to say that beta testing is the key to a good mission and is also very much appreciated by the staff and everyone else!
Not all is lost.

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« Reply #20 on: 03 Feb 2005, 21:06:27 »
Well we couldn't have any slap on the wrist type laws now can we? :D

Either way can we drop it soon? Unless you have a very specific Q or something, not just argueing for 17 and below. :P

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« Reply #21 on: 03 Feb 2005, 23:46:10 »
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Your only 15 triggerhappy??!! Woah!

lol how old did you think i was?  :P

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« Reply #22 on: 04 Feb 2005, 00:20:30 »
dunno. over 18 anyways lol

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« Reply #23 on: 04 Feb 2005, 03:00:14 »
didn't know i passed off as being...mature
if only i could do that with other stuff....  ;)

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« Reply #24 on: 04 Feb 2005, 03:48:20 »
Comments, whether on Missions, Addons, Ed Depot resources or whatever, are extremely useful and highly valued by submitters, ofpec staff and most of all, ofpec members.   All ofpec members, of any age, are strongly  enouraged to make helpful Comments whenever they have something useful to say.

At this point I'd also like to remind everybody of the importance of beta testing.

Edit:    Bugger, too late.

The thing is, nobody is suggesting that this is a perfect policy.  But when you've had your fingers burnt 100 times out of 100, you stop shoving them in the toaster.
Plenty of reviewed ArmA missions for you to play

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« Reply #25 on: 04 Feb 2005, 04:47:53 »
i like that analagy ;D

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« Reply #26 on: 04 Feb 2005, 04:55:42 »
could the mods plz put this on the home page in bold so we can all get over it  and stop discussing and somtimes arguing with the admins why u should be able to be an ofpec staff at under 18 years old        
 WE DO NOT ACCEPT MEMBERS UNDER 18 TO BECOME OFPEC STAFF. NO COMMENTS AND NO DISCUSSION ON THIS POLICY EVER!!!!!       THANK YOU

 dont know y u guys all want to be mods anyways. im happy just going in chatting and downloading stuff. Not having to move topics around, review missions that dont intrest me in the least, and  punishing bad ofpec members, and having to all the other stuff u mods and admins do.

thanks
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« Reply #27 on: 04 Feb 2005, 09:17:39 »
Beta testing is almost (if not more) as important a job than the mission reviewers because for missions to be really good, they need to beta-tested. After wanting to join the missions depot and finding I was too young, I found that you get just as much credit (and less stress probably) for doing beta-testing. Also I'm sure that if you distinguish yourself doing beta-testing at a younger age then when you reach adulthood then you will be better placed to secure a spot in one of the depots than if you had just joined the site or something  :o

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The thing is, nobody is suggesting that this is a perfect policy.  But when you've had your fingers burnt 100 times out of 100, you stop shoving them in the toaster.

Very well said  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #28 on: 05 Feb 2005, 04:35:05 »
@penguinman
Usually when sigining up for a job, you must be over 18, usually says so.

@djackl
Yea, beta testing is very important, makes medicore missions into good ones. ;)

@Macguba
Best analogy I've seen so far.

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Quote:The thing is, nobody is suggesting that this is a perfect policy.  But when you've had your fingers burnt 100 times out of 100, you stop shoving them in the toaster.  

Good, good... :-* ;D

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« Reply #29 on: 05 Feb 2005, 20:43:40 »
i understan what youre trying to say but i atleast the age should be 16 not 18 if your going to have a limit

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« Reply #30 on: 05 Feb 2005, 21:12:20 »
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Either way can we drop it soon? Unless you have a very specific Q or something, not just argueing for 17 and below.

 ::) Why again?

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« Reply #31 on: 05 Feb 2005, 21:45:58 »
The thing is, nobody is suggesting that this is a perfect policy.  But when you've had your fingers burnt 100 times out of 100, you stop shoving them in the toaster.

What he meant with that was...: OFPEC have allowed people under 18 to be MODs and stuff, either before the rule was made or after, but because the person seemed to be very mature...
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it never works, therefor it is no way OFPEC will allow people under 18 to become a MOD. All you and others that always whine about this rule do, is use up space at OFPEC, use MODs time because they have to answer these kinds of questions and use your own time on something silly. You could might as well go watch a wall and see if it changes as time goes by. I've been here for over 3 years, and I've seen these kinds of topics a lot, and they all end the same way, MODs say no, you wonder why. Just do yourself a favour and accept it. This is the way it is, and this is the way it will be.

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« Reply #32 on: 05 Feb 2005, 22:01:09 »
Aww but havin OFPEC next to all your posts is so 1337!!!!! lol, yeah. Subject dropped by me for one. I'll keep hanging around the beta forums and maybe comment on a few reviewed missions for a second opinion.

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« Reply #33 on: 06 Feb 2005, 00:06:28 »
i understan what youre trying to say but i atleast the age should be 16 not 18 if your going to have a limit

In principle, I completely agree.
I can guarantee that there are some people under age that are probably more mature than some over 18 year olds.

However as Macca pointed out, we've simply been burnt every single time we've relaxed the rule.

Anyway, this thread is flogging a very (very) old, dead horse....
I'll give it a day or so and unless someone has some really revolutionary ideas, I'll have to hit it with my *lock this puppy* stick ;)

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« Reply #34 on: 06 Feb 2005, 02:21:57 »
y dont u make a very hard and grueling trial and examination quiz, followed by probation of members that passed as ofpec staff.

kinda like how the navy seals have a final effort to find any last potential washouts from the training program before they graduate their new recruits, its called Hell Week I belive.

any ways, why dosent ofpec have somthing like that
so that they can test if under 18 members can join without posing a threat to the routine management and operation of this fine website.

also a good way to make all these under 18 people realize that they really dont want to be an ofpec staff.

thanks

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« Reply #35 on: 09 Feb 2005, 17:51:46 »
I'd like to be part of ofpec staff but being only 14 and having to go to the libary to use a computer I can see flaws in my plan (lol) but if my home computer was on the internet and I was able to get in I'd work about 70% of the time (well the rest eating sleeping ect.).

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« Reply #36 on: 10 Feb 2005, 05:13:42 »
OK GUYS, ITS TIME TO GIVE IT UP
how many pages of admins/mods telling you no does it take to get the picture?

don't get me wrong, it would be cool to get to be a mod or have some job at ofpec, but its obviously not happening and isn't going to.

to continue with the great analagy...:
its not nice to stick your friends hands in the toaster  ;D

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« Reply #37 on: 10 Feb 2005, 08:16:10 »
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I'll give it a day or so and unless someone has some really revolutionary ideas, I'll have to hit it with my *lock this puppy* stick

You said it Sui!

Let the administrators tremble at a Mission Depot revolution. The OFPEC Members have nothing to lose but their accounts. They have a reviewing spot to win. OFPEC MEMMBERS OF ALL COUNTRIES, UNITE!

 ;D

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« Reply #38 on: 13 Feb 2005, 19:36:23 »
I agree with the age limit. If you don't like it, tough luck. Its not our fault that you weren't born earlier. That's something you'll have to bring up with your parents.

All you can really do is keep plugging away with Flashpoint so that when you are old enough, you're a guru.

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« Reply #39 on: 14 Feb 2005, 15:14:56 »
Many of you under 18 says that you're mature enough. If that's true, than you should understand that OFPEC rules. Not every time questioning again and again: why ... why ... ?

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« Reply #40 on: 14 Feb 2005, 22:17:35 »
admin, mod, somebody lock this

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« Reply #41 on: 14 Feb 2005, 23:27:40 »
Basically, we don't mind discussing and explaining our rules and such.

But on this particular matter, we've already stated we won't budge, we've explained why we won't budge (a great many times now), and yet all that comes up are the same old arguments that we've covered *numerous* times already.

Sorry guys, but this dead horse has been flogged into a mincy paste type sauce.

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