Afghanistan

[Ram TN]

Hey, how about making an Afghanistan mission? Not one about the current conflict there, but one about the Soviet invasion to Afghanistan. The time of that invasion is also very close to OPF's time, so it would fit well. I don't have a lot of ideas about that, just the concept.

[Nixer6]

Good Idea, tough to model though. So many outside factors affect combat. Advantage Mujahdeen or advantage Russia? In a fair fight (in ofp) a Russian mech unit would clean a bunch of Rag Head Butt!

Set up some Rebels in good ambush though, different story. That's how they did it. That's the only way to do it. Sneak up on the guy and kil him when he isn't looking! Strategy and Tactics all rolled in one!

  If one of our resident "Rocket Scientists" could come up with a way to script a campaign that would progress based on performance, OFP would be even better!

I digress, YES 1980's Afghanistan would be interesting. Especially the mission where Bin Laden dies young ;D

 :tomato:

[O Neil]

Yo, I reacon that it would be a real cool idea.

You should make it a campaign and start with like a video clip (If possible) or a cutscene or something. Then you could like, be a marine or SAS dude that goes into the mountain 'Caves' then Kabul etc.

But you would need people that can help you with WRP Edit (Very important) and scripters and mabey a few modelers or whatever.

I've made a pretty crap mission on afganistan, but it uses some map, I't uses the map "West Leach Springs" Ideal for afganistan.

But if you want it pro, make your own map.

If your thinking of going ahead I wouldn't mind helping.....if I could cause I know about mission making, but beginner in scripting.

Wheeeew.......

Cyos


O Neil

[Robbo]

 ::)The americans or british weren't in combat with the russians at anytime in the 1980s afganistan, however unofficially its beleived there supplied weapons to the mujahdeen, So O Neill :-\, SAS and Marines would not be there . The russians found it difficult with afganistans terrain to move armour through, forced to send infantry in that were crushed by ambush attacks and which later forced the retreat of the russians. Virtually the mujahdeen were the resistance, against one powerful enemy, but easy to target army.(sounds familiar) Anyway It'd be great to recreate this campaign, maybe make both russian and mujahdeen missions. Also the island it was played on would have to be very rugged and mountainous.
Great idea though and has some potenial unlike the current afganistan campaign which doesn't have a lot of storyline at the moment.
Robbo

[O Neil]

O KJnow, I'm talking about operation anaconda, I know your talking anout.......ok I lose.

[ZIKAN]

I posted a request for some Mujahadeen units to be made a week or so ago purely for this war of 1979-1989. I think it would be a seriously good MOD if  a team got together of people interested in this war.
Like 'Robbo' said this Afghan war has a start and finish to it and a storyline to follow:

"The communist party in Afghanistan was first formed in 1965. Daoud, though not a communist, was an ally of the soviets. He first allied himself with the Soviets in 1954 when he asked for military aid in order to protect the border between Pakistan and Afgahnistan. Daoud was asked to resign in 1963 because he has increased the countries' independance on the Soviets. However, in 1973, he came back into power with the help of pro-Moscow communists. As soon as 1975, however, Daoud began to change his policies towards the communists. He ousted several communists from goverment positions and had himslef elected president to legitmize his regime.
He also attempted to reconcile with Pakistan which aggrivated the Soviets. Thus, in April 1978, the Afhghani communists, with the help of the Soviets, assasianted Daoud. A new socialist government was set-up. Mohammad Taraki is named Prime Minister and the country is remanmed the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. However, uprisings from the middle class and peasents weakened the new governent. In 1979 the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in order to protect the new socialist government.
The Soviet invasion that began on Christmas Day 1979 involved four Motor-Rifle Divisions, two Airborne Divisions, as well as paratroopers, Spetsnaz special forces, and KGB secret police.  Within less than two weeks the soviets had occupied Kabul, the Afghan capital.  By the end of January 1980, there were 50,000 Soviet troops in Afghanistan; their numbers increased to 80,000 by the end of the summer.  Although the invasion had been carried out seemingly without effort, the "real war" had only just begun...
The war for the Soviets was an unparalleled disaster much like the Vietnam war was for the USA. In 1988 the 115,000 Soviet soldiers begin to withdraw after losing an estimated 15,000 troops in ten years"

[@cero]

hey, guys, how I missed this post? I don't know.
I been interested in a campaign like that for some time now, after I read the book The Shooting Gallery from the former SAS Gaz Hunter I reallice that a campaign about the Soviets in Afganistan conflict would be really good.
 About the West units in this conflict, there wa a very little number of West units working from Pakistan and some others working with the Muhahiden, but bery few really, posibli there was only no more than 10 experts in all the time the conflict toke, there was some SAS and some American too, the idea was to give the resistance some defence from the devasteting Hinds and MIGs, that was the bigest problem for the Muhahiden, there was a secret agency helping the Muhahiden to fight the Soviets because the conflict was in the middle of the cold war and West didn't wonted another country dominated by a comunist regim. Thats were the author of the mentioned book came, hi left the SAS on his therties because of personal problems with his missus and daughter and after a whille the mentioned agency call him to train the Muhahiden on the use of American made ground to air missiles and by the way hi trained them on modern fighting techniques that helped the Muhahiden to win the war against the Ruskies. The Shooting Gallery is a really good book that will help and inspire anybody interested in this kind of missions for OFP or any other missions, this book inspired the 3 diferent projects that I'm working on now and they are completly diferent from each other.
If any of you needs a hand on this Afgan war thing let me know please.
Later all.
@CERO.

[ZIKAN]

With the succes of the Soviet Helicopter Gunships against the Mujhadeen, certain countries with interestes in that area supplied heavy weapons namely AA missiles. First it was the British Blowpipe AA missile. But the success rate increased with the far superior American Stinger missile system. Although they were indirectly involved with fighting the western countries  trained many of the afghans. The CIA as usual couldnt help but meddle in another countries foreign affairs. I think it would be prety cool to have a few missions simialr to these events.
I dont know if its true for sure, but i have read on a russian forum that a group of 'Mercenaries' of western origin actually took part in the fighting alongside the Muj payed  by the CIA.

To be honest i think it would be good to play from both sides point of view,Soviet and Mujahadeen. So please someone start making some decent add ons, and we can start making some missions of this conflict!

[@cero]

is a few good addons allready that would be good for that, but is things like the Mujahideen troops that are not anywhere at all to be founded, it wouldn't be a dificult addon to make, another thing that I been trying to make while I'm learning to build islands is a decent canyoniced dessert island, I was mesiing about with Terragen and I created some stuning terrains with it, but its something that I mised when transfering to the other programs that don't give me any results, all I can make with Terragen so far is pictures :'(
but a nice terrain would be really apreciated.
Later all.
@CERO.

[ZIKAN]

Im seeking addons to depict the 1979-1989 conflict, like the armour and infantry uniforms of the time, i dont want to use current stuff. Be cool if a team formed up  and produce some high quality add ons. I tried making a Muj soldier model myself but i gave up, basicly I dont have the time or the skill  

@cero, yes it would be cool to have some mountainous regions with caves, ledges and over hangs.

[@cero]

So why don't we start a mod? I don't have lots of spare time as it is and I'm trying to sort out a pair of projects that I got in OFP but an Afganistan Russia conflict mod could work really well,I'm sure I would be able to get the time from somewhere ;D all we have to do is get the web space and star recruiting people, I'm sure we wouldn't have a problem to find a cuple of good addon makers and the rest of the team.
Just an idea.
Later all.
@CERO.

[@cero]

Oh no answers? I think it would be really good, anyone interested let me know by emailing me or by instant message please.
Later.
@CERO.

[Robbo]

Well @CERO and I have started a mod on the subject (so if u wanna join IM or Email us)
the war actually went for nearly 10 years so what do you think would be the best way of incorporating a 10 year military campaign into a mod??
Robbo

[@cero]

We don't want this post to become locked by trying to recruit people from here, so as soon I got the site on the air I'll post some recruitment stuff in the training depot, but this post should go back to life anyway.
 Any good ideas for missions or if any of you have any thoughts about that just drop us a line.
Later all.
@CERO.

[FAMAS]

Nothing personal, but I will not play that mission...
I hate russians... "Still there is finnish soldiers blood in our bodies" - Finland will strike back someday ! Someday...

Still thats great idea !  

[@cero]

I hate russians... "Still there is finnish soldiers blood in our bodies" - Finland will strike back someday ! Someday...

Still thats great idea !  

Well put it like that, the Russians are the bad guys, but we will do like BIS and create two diferent or three diferent ways and points of views, the Mujahideen, the Russians and the West units that was send there in secrecy, 3 campaighns, one mod ;D so you just download the one you'll fancy.

    Now, I'm telling this to clear things, in Afghanistan there was two diferent sides withing the Afghans, the East suporters trying to get into a muslim-comunist regim suported by the USSR and making them selfs another ali fighting agains the West countrys during the cold war, and the other side was the side who reveled and fighted the Russians and was suported by the West countrys, they are the Mujahideen, and nowdays they still alive and fighting agains the Talliban forces suporting the West forces searching and fighting the Taliban in there own territory, they form part if not complety of the North Aliance.
 
 So, any good ideas for a mission to do with all that stuff? ;D
Later all.
@CERO

[PFC_Mike]

Well, I hate to revive an old thread but I was directed to it by @CERO. Anyway, I'd love to see an Afghan campiagn, anytime from 1979 to 200? I am interested in making Soviet motor rifle troops in khaki/brown and maybe a new weapon or two (RPG-18, new PK, Lee-Enfield, other stuff I can think of)

I have no modeleing experience and I can only edit, not write cpps. However, I have some good reference sources.


This could be a bitchin' mod, I hope you all volunteer.
Besides, did the Soviet troops in the Winter War really want to kill Finns? I doubt it. Besides, they lost so much equipment and so many troops I feel kind of sorry for them.

Molotov cocktails are awesome.

[Darkninja]

Nothing personal, but I will not play that mission...
I hate russians... "Still there is finnish soldiers blood in our bodies" - Finland will strike back someday ! Someday...

Lol!  
Little Finland can do nothing against Russia...
The finnish use russian weapons as well, and you have to remember that the finnish were allied with the nazis in the WW2!

Well now to the point.
Yes, great idea to start an Afghan mod.
But, why have the russians as the bad ones.
I have nothing against it, but it should be as realitsic and impartial as possible. I mean that no one should be the bad one.

I remember in the "1985 campaign", where the russians were held as the bad ones, they shot their own soldiers, prisoners and so on. That was extremely u-n-r-e-a-l-istic.

So please dont exaggerate anything...

[@cero]

Darkninja, I think I may miss interpreted myselfe or if I sed it right I may not explain myselfe proply, I apologice if so.
   I explain now. The conflict was descrived by 3 diferent points of view, Afghan, Russian, and West in general, I don't meen to say that the Russians are going to be the bad guys all the way through, the idea is to create 3 diferent campaighns, the first one will be from the point of view of the Mujahideen, witch people may think is going to be boring or against theyr thoughts and bla bla bla, but I think is going to be really interesting, second campaighn, it will be from the Russian soldier point of view, have in consideration that I'm saying the Russian soldier and no the hall Russian army placed in there, the reason why? I was reading a cuple of documents from Russian soldiers that fight in that war, they where send there convinced that they where going to do some humanitarian help and so and so, they got there to find a country in war against the USSR, a rebel group that torture the Russian POW in a really bad way, etc, etc. This two documents really got me thinking about the way this guys where thinking while all that was happening.
 The third campaighn will be about West units that was send there for diferent reasons, for direct secret action against the Afghan East suporter side( no the Mujahideen or the people of Afghanistan) , to train the Mujahideen on the use of weapons like the Stinger ground to air missiles making them get into action more often than they would like too, and allso train them in new strategys and techniques of modern warfare. They allso suplied the weapons that there had been geting trained for, and its lots more.
  So as you see, the options will be there, if you don't like the reds download the other two campaighns, if you suport the reds, well you know what I meen, is not good guys or bad guys, actually, in OFP I allways been a fan of the East more than the West, I prefere a AK than a M4 for example, but that is a personal opinion, so I'm sorry about what I sed before about puting the Soviets as the bad guys, they all are bad guys cos they fighting and killing each other, naughty, naughty, naughty
 So any sugestions are wellcome, any questions will be answer, and remember, things are just starting.
Later all.
@CERO.

[FAMAS]

Ok, Ok enought for patrioty that was just a joke.
It sounds good and if you play with Afg forces I think itÂ's just fine ! But still I canÂ't solve between Russians and Afghanistan forces wich on is good ?

Because if we remember latest happens in Afg if think the Afg are evil !? I donÂ't know about that, but IÂ'm happy to help if any help is needed.

P.S We were not staraight allied to nazis, but they gave us weapons. You started the war, dudes ! And when we fighted nazis off of Lapland you began to fight again !

But those times were long time ago... And now we are richer country ! ;D

[Darkninja]

Ok, ok all!  ;D
Nice, everything seems to be great and well planned...  
Will be fun to play this mod.

Some Q's:
Will there be any new aircrafts and so on?

And how big will the new island be or will it be more than one island?

[@cero]

To Famas:
  Afghans are evil? ;DLol, the suporters of terrorism are evil, Afghans, Vascs, Irish, Palestinians, whatever, the origin of a person don't make them evil, the way they get contaminated by other peoples thoughts and make themselfs into a human life destroyers for a cause or reason that can be solved by other means is evil, but if you are Irish or Vasc or Palestinian or Afghan don't meant that you are a terrorist, you can be a Londoner from all your life and become a terrorist just cos someone convinced you that the only way to cut the price on lagger is by blowing the parlament with everyone inside, and then all the Londoners would be evil ;Dlol.

To Darkninja:
  Yes, there is some new models to do of air and land units that were in the conflict but don't exist in the game jet, we got to do alot of research on all this things, that's why we need a team, a team that will be recruted from the training depot of this site and from our site that  by the way, its about to go online.
 About the maps, ofcourse we need new ones, but I don't got a clue how many is going to be, we will sort that out once the person/s in charge of WRP editing gets on it.
 Things seam to go slow so far but I'm sure that once a team is organiced it will change fast, just keep your eyes open and stay tuned, I'm sure none of you will be disapointed.
Later all.
@CERO.

[@cero]

Hi all.
 I would like to mention that this thread had managed to get people toguether to make a mod, as you can see, now I got a cuple of links in my signature ;D That's what threads like that can make you do, so kip it alive.
 Thanks to anyone who helped to put the main people toguether, that help would be this forums.
 Thanks OFPEC :cheers:
@cero.

[Stu35]

Especially the mission where Bin Laden dies young

The russians put 6 bullets in the man and couldnt kill him... would be nice to see a 7th... 8th... 30th put into the man...s head.

@cero - god bless you for remembering the irish, all too many people seem to forget that many good people have died at the hands of the IRA,

seems like a strange thing to say i know, but the Irish are a big issue for me, those bastards took 2 years of my life (and i want them back... never mind, id only waste them anyway) in that country trying to stop them.

i know that seems strange,

[@cero]

seems like a strange thing to say i know, but the Irish are a big issue for me, those bastards took 2 years of my life (and i want them back... never mind, id only waste them anyway) in that country trying to stop them.

i know that seems strange,

Stu35, what seems strange for me is that I was going on about that the fact that people is from somewhere don't makes them a particular way, so terrorist are terrorist, and Irish are Irish. ETA kill a mate of mine years ago, but I got nothing against vasc, I hate ETA the same way you hate the IRA, don't hate the Irish, hate terrorist, hating people from a place cos someone in there is a terrorist is really strange. ;D
lol. ;D
I hoppe you understand what I meant.

Back to the Afghan mod. Well, what can I say, the mod has started, at the moment is 10 members, but I still need more, but that's another issue. I would keep you guys up to date about our mod but this forums aren't going to accept it in mission ideas, at list the moderators say diferent ;D
Later.
@cero.

[Wolfsbane]

*Brings this forcefully back on topic*

As the situation has been resolved, and the word has been put around, I am now locking this thread before it becomes any more off-topic.

Oh, and anyone else in future caught using any terms such as 'Rag Head' will be banned without hesitation.

Nixer6.......

Wolfsbane