Author Topic: Black Hawk Down (Read 5478 times)

Josef · « **on:** 12 Jan 2003, 19:45:25 »

Hey, I think I'll make a BHD mission, and a good one!

All I need to know is a few facts about the operation, how was the force organisation?

Black Magic · « **Reply #1 on:** 13 Jan 2003, 07:30:59 »

Now there's an original idea!

You know, someone should do Omaha Beach as well! ;D

I rest my case.

Nah only joking. I think you seem pretty dedicated to it, but I'm just sick of alot of people saying they're going to do it better than anyone - only to fall under. If you do get it done, I'd be more than happy to check it out cause BHD missions are far and few between and those that do make it to see the light aren't as great as their hype makes out.

Best of luck with it though man.

max_killer_payne · « **Reply #2 on:** 13 Jan 2003, 20:18:58 »

I would also like to see a BlackHawk Down mission out to download, but the problem is due to Flashpoints engine and it cant take more then about 60 men in one mission, it would be hard to make a realistic BHD mission, and the city would be hard to create, and due to the OFP aircraft A.I which isnt great, the helicopters may smash into buildings etc, and you would need alot of buildings and a new island probably.

Dont make it seem like im against you tryin!! ;D Im all for a BHD mission it would just be hard to make!!

Loc-Dog · « **Reply #3 on:** 13 Jan 2003, 22:12:21 »

You guys ever heard of deleting units and creating units during a mission?

http://www.ofpec.com/editors/tutorial_view.php?id=129 I haven't tried that script yet but i'm sure its what you need

Josef · « **Reply #4 on:** 14 Jan 2003, 15:32:44 »

I know its not an orginal idea, but I just thought it cool for LAN, with Human littlebirds its possible...

And I dont know if ill make the movie one, maybe with some twist:) Like a different city and different troops;)

O Neil · « **Reply #5 on:** 31 Jan 2003, 06:46:18 »

ON another note, I reckon that there should be a thread on this, like Editing and scripting, you know, topics like that, but for massively knowen Missions in history.
You know?
There's gotta be like, 143514350769876 topics on BHD and Omaha Beach and my toilet.............oh, mabey not.

O Neil

Black Magic · « **Reply #6 on:** 31 Jan 2003, 13:43:55 »

"143514350769876"

I'm curious to know how you came up with this figure.

lmao

O Neil · « **Reply #7 on:** 01 Feb 2003, 01:20:37 »

It didn't take long, I just slammed my hand on the numbers

Phantom · « **Reply #8 on:** 06 Feb 2003, 03:05:10 »

Why don't you make a tiny effort, go out and ge the book, Black Hawk Down, by Mark Bowden. That way your doing the story and not people on the forum's.

If you changed the place and soldiers, then I guess it wouldn't really be Black Hawk Down, now would it

Blacky · « **Reply #9 on:** 09 Feb 2003, 21:07:46 »

HereÂ's a site with interviews, weapons, stories ans stuff about Operation Restore Hope.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ambush/

Cougar · « **Reply #10 on:** 21 Feb 2003, 22:19:37 »

Hey bro if you can find someone who can make a real detailled map of Mogadishu ill be glad to help on it;) oh and sry for the 56kers

O Neil · « **Reply #11 on:** 23 Feb 2003, 03:34:45 »

Nice

Bronski · « **Reply #12 on:** 24 Feb 2003, 07:41:47 »

Actually it is about 60 groups per side (i actually think that number is slightly higher). So, you could actually have about 720 people on the enemy side though that would kill practically everyone's computer.

O Neil · « **Reply #13 on:** 24 Feb 2003, 08:36:48 »

1000 somalians were killed
17 (I think) USA soldiers were killed
70 (I think) injured

....but you probaby know that.......so I'll just go.......

O neil

Mooseman · « **Reply #14 on:** 24 Feb 2003, 13:40:40 »

hi there

I think "BHD" would be a very interesing topic. Even more since there are the rangers and deltas + littlebirds from BAS to realize it.

I also think that it is nearly impossible to realize "BHD" in one mission; the events back in '93 have been all topsy-turvy you would need like 1.000 somalis about 170 rangers + deltas, 5t Trucks, Hummer, Littlebirds and, ah yes, black hawks, obviously...

The key to bring "BHD" alive in OFP is consequently not to make a mission but a campaign. Just like in Bowdens book. The Author's story isn't one continuous flow of events. Instead it is devided several chapters, each telling you a distinct story that is interlinked with all the other chapters. All chapters together build the story of "BHD".

So IMHO "BHD" for OFP shouldn't be a mission but a campaign. Each mission within this campaign gives you the opportunity to replay certain elements of the desaster (eg. secure and hold the position around the target building with your chalk; evacuate wounded ranger with an Hummer; storm target building with delta; lead convoy through streets &c)

aaronj5 · « **Reply #15 on:** 26 Feb 2003, 04:53:31 »

Exactly. You really need a Campaign. I Suggest you use In you Mission/or Campaign :

1. The Humvees with weapons Addon by quakergamer
2. The BAS Deltas/Rangers
3. The BAS Littlebirds
4. The TJP DAP UH-60 (unless you can find a Better one)
5. Sgt Gunnery Highway's "island" Mogadishu
6. And of course, The Black Hawk Down Soundtrack

I was Working on a Black Hawk Down Mission, My Goal was to Re-create the Chaos of the Operation, but I don't have the Skills needed to Accomplish that. IMHO, What you really need is a Team to work on it. Good luck with your Mission.

Kuro · « **Reply #16 on:** 26 Feb 2003, 08:26:31 »

HI,

i think all the necessary Maps and AddOns are there. I just would like to enjoy the great tension of BHD. If anyone setting up a team doing this i can provide scripting and if necessary one or two maps.
But i do not have the time to make the whole campain.

Yours
Kuro

sgtGunneryHighway · « **Reply #17 on:** 26 Feb 2003, 09:47:23 »

Quote from: aaronj5 on 26 Feb 2003, 04:53:31

5. Sgt Gunnery Highway's "island" Mogadishu

:toocool:
:cheers:

SpecOpWarrior · « **Reply #18 on:** 26 Feb 2003, 22:06:44 »

I'm not going to read this entire thread,

but very recently, I saw this map at ofp.info, and it looks perfect for this type of mision...

But if this is going to be a mission, good luck, cuz your going to need a campaign to simulate everything from the movie..

aaronj5 · « **Reply #19 on:** 27 Feb 2003, 18:37:34 »

Another Thing:
The Movie "Black Hawk Down" Was not about Operation Restore Hope. It was about The Harsh and terrible Reality of War. It's Goal was to show How Terrible war really Is. Any Campaign or mission on Black Hawk Down Should Reflect That. It should Show to the Fullest Extent Possible the Reality of The Operation.

erik_red · « **Reply #20 on:** 28 Feb 2003, 08:06:48 »

I think I have an alternative version of MH6 chopper in near-ready state. AH6 is coming soon (as soon as I can add weapon pods to MH6 and weapon stuff to config). I can post 98% ready MH6 PBO for testing\improvements after this weekend if somebody will be interested in that. Just let me know.

SpecOpWarrior · « **Reply #21 on:** 28 Feb 2003, 23:53:17 »

I agree with the realistic thing...

If anybody is to actually make this campaign, you will need a few couple dozen good SFX to give the player the feel of war...

(believe me, sound FX does alot to anything video related)

aaronj5 · « **Reply #22 on:** 01 Mar 2003, 01:49:22 »

I Agree. You should have Sound Effects, like Radio Chatter, Wounded Screaming, People Yelling, Etc, Etc. Your Mission/Campaign should create a Stressful Enviorment for the player.

Captain Winters · « **Reply #23 on:** 01 Mar 2003, 04:53:09 »

Yes. Of course. If any of yous take the path of independant game developing your realize that good lighting can make a level look good. Bad lighting can sadly ruing the essence of a good level! SFX are the most important (I think) part of making any OFP level. Any of you's who have tested any of my missions will realise that there's not a single moment during a cutscene or intro without background music or SFX.

Think about it. Your on the Desert Island and shots are everywhere, people are getting hit and your friends are droppin' like flies on crap. Do you think no one's gonna scream 'Oh Sh*t!' or 'DAMN IT!'? I think not! Reviewing some missions I realized that if the author would have paid just a little more attention to detail of the sound- the 3's or 4's would have beens 6's 7's. Sad, sad mistakes!

Sound adds TONS to missions and like I said can make or break it! In a thunder/rain storm and you dont hear the rain falling or the rumble of thunder!? BAH! ACK!

Tanks!

RP · « **Reply #24 on:** 01 Mar 2003, 19:48:36 »

I agree guys, good SFX can really make a cenario come alive.

But please...like allready stated, no more "crappyalltalknodo" BHD missions. The campaign (as i see it), would be the way to go.

I'm shure if someone's willing to put a team together and go for a well made campaign on the subject, it's going to be a winer!

Mooseman · « **Reply #25 on:** 16 Mar 2003, 12:39:07 »

Btw. there's now a bulding and chopper ropedown addon w/ custom animations. It's from the Battle of Hokkaido mod.

The readme is japanese but there is a demo mission that comes along with it. The animations are great. Also there are other new anims for the soldiers (marching like in a parade, standing/kneeling w/ the rifle in a diffenrent style).

I guess this will be a must for a decent bhd scenery.

Josef · « **Reply #26 on:** 17 Mar 2003, 14:42:49 »

How obout playing it on a LAN, using 8 hours, when you idle you make some pizza, and you fiw up stuff like support and stuff yourself...

Would be cool if someone made this, a LOOOOOOONG BHD mission, almost real time...

And the events are decided out of what the players do...