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Title: New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 08 Mar 2003, 23:14:53
I am starting a new c130. I am doing this cause the last one was released before some of the new options and I am trying to get a better looking one. I will now post a couple pics!
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 08 Mar 2003, 23:15:44
Another one
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 08 Mar 2003, 23:17:08
56ker here
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 08 Mar 2003, 23:18:41
3 more
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 08 Mar 2003, 23:19:46
2 more
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 08 Mar 2003, 23:21:18
Last one
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 08 Mar 2003, 23:27:42
As you can see the model is rough but I have only worked on it for three hours and I still have to work on the interior.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Vyper on 08 Mar 2003, 23:55:49
Looks pretty damn good.....what kind of features you thinking of adding to this?

and somebodies gonna ask for the varients so you considered doing  pack?

I'm gonna be watching this one, looks nice

Vyper
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: registered_fugitiv on 09 Mar 2003, 01:05:42
hey good job man i was thinking about doing a c130 the other day guess i dont need to now
looks awesome dude keep up the good work
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 01:10:34
Thanks for the feedback. As for textures. I am not to good at them so I may need help there. but I think a pack with maybe a crashed one, desert sceme, USAf, and maybe woodland would be nice. The features I am also not sure about. but the back ramp will open I know that and maybe a new cagro proxy. The cargo one (if I can figure out how to make it will just be guys standing facing the back with there hands on a guide wire.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 01:11:56
I just thought of somethin I need. anyone out there have pics of the interior so I can use them for a modeling reference.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeadMeatXM2 on 09 Mar 2003, 01:16:20
hey dude, sweet work...

I'll have a dig around my photos and online links and see what i can find for ya ;)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Furia on 09 Mar 2003, 01:22:12
Hello.
I am the one that openedOFP Forum Poll about C-130 (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard301/ikonboard.cgi?s=3e6a864d284affff;act=ST;f=54;t=27873;st=45).
My squad, SWAF (http://seawolves.org/swaf/) is very interested on any new C-130 model avalaible.
I have made some suggestions for such plane on that post in OFP Forum that If you want I can repeat here such a Jumper "seat possition" or a plane that can release ammo crates with chutes. And also a Gunship variant.
Also a full flight instrument package is need.
Would you consider exploring this points?
SWAF has experience with C-130 operations and surely can do betattesting and other support you may need.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 01:26:20
Well I am kinda new at modelling so I may realese a basic version first then go and find out how to do more. but a gunship would be cool I could try that.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: registered_fugitiv on 09 Mar 2003, 01:32:12
here dude some pics for ya..... hell of a lot actually
should cover the interior http://kithobbyist.com/saw/PhotoArchive/us/C130/pa_c130-1.html

and heres one with alot of links to other pics of c130's
http://sutton.faithweb.com/links.html
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 01:43:39
Thanks for the pics. All I need now is cockpit things then I will be bakc to work.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 06:50:15
5 new pics for ya
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 06:51:28
Heres another
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 06:54:26
And another
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 06:55:33
Well you get the idea.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 06:56:55
Last one
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 06:58:22
Well There you go. I can't add anything more to the model it has like 5200 polys so thats the most detailed I could get the interior. the texture will make it look more realistic.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Dirtman on 09 Mar 2003, 07:28:35
SpclFrcsSnpr you may want to see if you can contact the maker of the Antov 124.  He was able to get the first man in cargo to stand on the ramp and the rest set in the back of his Antov 124 Troop.  This adds great effect when jumping from it.  You can watch out the back the ground pass below.  Just a suggestion.

 ;)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 09:12:13
Thanks Ill look into that. Maybe have a guy sittin on the remp:) With a parachute of corse. ;D. I just had to redo the main fusalage cause I had connected them and then I realize it would be a real B#$@ to try and skin so I had to go through and delete all the faces of the outside and then connect the cockpit and such back together. Its a real pain. But I am almost to the texture stage. All I have to do now is define all the parts and do the remainder lod, and of corse texture it. I have half of tomarrow off so then I will texture it and get it ingame. then maybe release it for beta!!! Cross your fingers. I plan on having 3 diff textures. For know they will only be cargo versions. The scemes will be woodland, desert, and the USAF sceme. In a later pack I will release maybe a gunship and a wreched version. If I have time I will release it in the US Coast Guard sceme. So tata for now. :)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: registered_fugitiv on 09 Mar 2003, 09:33:47
HOLY SH!T DUDE!!!!!! :o :o :o
you work fast, cant wait untill I can play with this
keep it up dude ur doing an awesome job :thumbsup:
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Wires on 09 Mar 2003, 11:19:53
Looking really good mate  :thumbsup:

The ADF Mod will be very interested in this when you are done  ;) Would you consider letting us use your model? We would just have to tweak it a bit, make it a C-130-H or J and then retexture it  :)

Wires
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeLiltMon on 09 Mar 2003, 11:33:42
Sweet, all we need now if for someone to crack the transportaion of vehicles problem, oh and an RAF reskin  ;)
Keep up the good work!
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeadMeatXM2 on 09 Mar 2003, 11:37:51
heh... sorry mate... looks like my pics are a bit late... but here is the link anyway:

http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/detail/air/c-130.html (http://www.combatindex.com/hardware/detail/air/c-130.html)

there's about 15 pages of photos there... and they are all high res :D

and

http://213.174.39.23/cgi-shl/NME/viewcat.cfm?cat=19 (http://213.174.39.23/cgi-shl/NME/viewcat.cfm?cat=19)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Britboy on 09 Mar 2003, 14:49:19
Will you consider doing a RAF colour scheme?
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 09 Mar 2003, 19:42:31
Wow this is the first Hot Topic thread of mine ever. Glad to see you guys like it. I started the model this last friday. I have about 5 hours into it so far. I will try to do an raf sceme I guess for those of you who want one.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Schoeler on 09 Mar 2003, 20:02:20
Very, very good work.  I'm glad someone with talent finally undertook an upgraded C-130 project on.  The first one was nice, but this one seems even better.  It would be nice to have the jumpers standing and exiting the aircraft from the ramp.  I've been waiting for something like this for awhile now. 8)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeLiltMon on 09 Mar 2003, 21:01:43
5 hours work! You must have nearly worn your mouse out to create that in 5 hours! It's looking really good and I think it's just what OPF needs, and an RAF version would be sweet too  :thumbsup: :afro:
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeLiltMon on 09 Mar 2003, 21:30:18
Have a look at these search results, there's a couple of good cockpit shots in there:
http://images.google.com/images?q=hercules+cockpit&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en (http://images.google.com/images?q=hercules+cockpit&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en)
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=c-130+cockpit (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=c-130+cockpit)

And there's a sound pack for MS Flight Sim here (actually there's 2 by the same guy, the newer one is further down the page):
http://www.simviation.com/fsdsounds.htm (http://www.simviation.com/fsdsounds.htm)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Bosniarat on 09 Mar 2003, 22:31:12
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/hercules/index.html
My entry i hope is not too late but this shows the Cockpit of a J model C-130
Hope this helps
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 10 Mar 2003, 03:05:18
Well there has been a slight delay. Something came up and I wasen't able to work on it as much as I would have liked. I have two problems. One is with the back ramp and the other is with the landing gear. The rear wheals retract fine it is just the front wheel goes up above the plane. The ramp is fine, it just turns too far and goes into the ground.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Wires on 10 Mar 2003, 04:00:13
Sounds like you need to fix your angles and rotation point for the from wheel
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 10 Mar 2003, 05:48:20
Well I was able to fix the rear ramp and I have gotten the c130 ingame. I am just now finishing up the exterior textures. What I need is a utility that has the USAF font so that I dont have to draw out my letters. I will get more pics shortly.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 10 Mar 2003, 06:26:08
Some new pics.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 10 Mar 2003, 06:26:56
3 more
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 10 Mar 2003, 06:28:06
2 more
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 10 Mar 2003, 06:31:06
Last One. I still have more thigs to add to the outside. I might spruce up the exterior fuselage texture.  But I have to add some numbers, warning markings and things such as that. I havent even started the interior textures yet, But I will tomarrow. cause its 10:30 here and I have school tomarrow. It woulda been spring break but our teachers had a strike and now I have no vacations whatsoever and I have to go to school on saturdays >:(.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Wires on 10 Mar 2003, 07:01:09
Could we have some shots that give us an idea on scale? looking a little small at the moment IMO
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: registered_fugitiv on 10 Mar 2003, 08:20:12
looking good dude :thumbsup:
going to school on saturdays no vacations whatsoever they must have been on strike for awhile, feel sorry for ya dude
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeLiltMon on 10 Mar 2003, 11:47:44
 8)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 10 Mar 2003, 23:34:42
It is a little small at the moment but that will change ;) I figure it is about half of its final size. But right now I think it is still bigger than the old one.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Navy Captain on 11 Mar 2003, 02:22:21
Can you implement that nosewheel steering thing that was introduced in the latest patch; so we and the ai can Taxi this great looking bird from the Tarmac to the runway????
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 11 Mar 2003, 03:33:30
Well I am not sure how to use that but I will if I can find out. You see I am learning how to do things as I go. I fugured I would just make the model and wait till I got better, but the model tearned out pretty good  so I have decided to make it so my fellow ofp players could have it.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 11 Mar 2003, 04:34:52
Haha I found out how to use te little taxiing thing.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 11 Mar 2003, 04:35:37
Hes rounding the bend! :D
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 11 Mar 2003, 04:35:57
And he's on the runway!
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Wires on 11 Mar 2003, 04:44:09
Nice work mate  ;) I hate the turning circle on some of the planes available looks like you have that sorted  :D
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: registered_fugitiv on 11 Mar 2003, 10:50:20
nice going dude  ;)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Shashman on 11 Mar 2003, 17:51:53
Great work there! :) And in such a short space of time too!
I was just thinking, most major air forces use the standard Ghost grey colour scheme (RAF,USAF, RAAF,Italian Air Force,etc...) for their hercs...I don't think anybody uses woodland anymore, I know it was replaced by the standard grey, but a desert one would be cool, and also a wrecked model would be nice  :) Keep up the good work m8! ;) :)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Britboy on 11 Mar 2003, 18:05:26
I think the RAF still uses camo for some of its hercs but im not sure.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeLiltMon on 11 Mar 2003, 18:29:05
I think the RAF are going to grey, but there are still some about in camo, personally I prefer camo myself.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: BoNeCoLLeCToR on 11 Mar 2003, 21:34:08
The model looks nice but the scale of the model looks to small
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Cplme on 11 Mar 2003, 23:52:40
hey sorry i havent wrote a reply earlier but i have been busy and havent had the time to right down a quick line however i have been following the topic and I like what i see.
 

Quote
scale looks a bit to small




yeah bone it does look a bit small but i think it was mentioned that the size he has got it at the moment is half the size what it is when it is going to be released

Cplme
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: The_Dude on 12 Mar 2003, 01:49:33
Are you going to make a version with either a Daisy Cutter or the new US MOAB (which was just tested publicly today)

That'd be interesting in ofp
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 12 Mar 2003, 06:00:19
Good news everyone. The beta is almost done. this will not be the final product! The final product will have a somewhat changed front cabin. i.e. there will be two seats added, the flight engineer, and the navigator. There will also maybe be two more doors added, and the pilot view will change most definetly. I will add  sticks, and throttle control, and maybe even some dials. Right now I am getting the scale right. I will probably release it in a short while. It was six megs uncompressed last i looked so I shouldn't kill too bad.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeLiltMon on 12 Mar 2003, 12:19:26
Excellent, you work damn fast, don't you sleep or something?  ;) 8)
I'd guess at it being around 2-3meg when it's zipped if it's 6meg now.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: pang on 12 Mar 2003, 13:31:25
...
I'd guess at it being around 2-3meg when it's zipped if it's 6meg now.

..when zipped in .rar ;)

how about including some snippet-parts of the "2vbcargo" scripts?
this way you could load and drop stuff
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Commando on 13 Mar 2003, 01:02:55
 :DYeah thats a good idea! Can't you make the plane have that script? Is it possible to do so? Well anyways its a great looking model and im anticipating this one because I alaways wanted a.i to steer it and You know that russian big transport chopper that was released a while ago.
Wasn't it able to carry soldiers that walked inside when it flew?
Or am I wrong? Good job dude and keep up the work  :)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 13 Mar 2003, 02:01:35
Good News!..............................
.........................................................
.................................................................................................. ...................................................................................
.................................................................................................. .....................................................................................
......................................YouReady? .................................................................................................. .............................
.................................................................................................. .....................................................................................
.................................................................................................. ..............................the beta is ready!!!! Thats right. All
I need is a place to send it. I wan't it to go out right away. The file is like 5.93 mb big when unrared. But when rared
its 732 kb or something like that so not too bad. Reply here if you have a place for me to send it!!!
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: vlada on 13 Mar 2003, 02:09:47
hi friend :-)

do you need place for your new C-130 ? It is not problem. Send me this file by e-mail or give me link. Please send this file tonight ! I will be  troght the weekend out ! When do you send me this file tonight, I will put it on our site :-)

ofp.info (http://ofp.info)

ofp.fighter@quick.cz

 :)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Mr_Shady on 13 Mar 2003, 17:19:32
Woohoo! It's going to be playtime for the Silver Falcons once we get hold of this... we needed a good platform for our 21VB chutes  ;)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 14 Mar 2003, 01:16:40
This is buggin me. It takes over 5 minutes to upload this thing and then it dont get posted.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: pang on 14 Mar 2003, 12:16:38
www.ofp.at (http://www.ofp.at) / gunship@ofp.at
those guys are pretty fast. you should contact the admin there. i think itÂ'll be uploaded a couple minutes after he receives the email  :)
but the site is in german :/
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Dirtman on 15 Mar 2003, 00:53:28
I dont speak german, but I visit that site all the time.  A picture in german is the same in english.

 :D
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 15 Mar 2003, 01:07:50
Okay I sent it there. It's sad that some sites take forever to upload even if they get the news. I'd like to see some english but oh well. As I have heard before hand S&$^ in one hand an dwish in the other and see which one fills up faster.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Waffen on 15 Mar 2003, 20:03:32
it's still not on ofp.info or .at or on the ofp-zone.de :(  :'( :'(
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Vyper on 16 Mar 2003, 18:17:52
Alas, if it is out then allow us to have it! AAAAARRRGGGGG I NEED IT!

Oh yea, and please carry on with thia fter this release. so many addons finish at early beta

Vyper
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 16 Mar 2003, 18:35:29
Don't worry I have continued to work on it. Right now I am changing the model's cockpit.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Vyper on 16 Mar 2003, 21:00:30
Wonderous, keep us all informed or your head be it on....or something  ???

Good luck man

Vyper
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeLiltMon on 18 Mar 2003, 22:21:38
Hmmm looks like neither site is going to upload it :(
Ah well keep up the great work!   :afro:
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: pang on 19 Mar 2003, 00:07:44
looks more like he never uploaded it.... ;)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 19 Mar 2003, 01:15:34
Okay I don't wan't that to stay there. Right now I am finishing with the new textures. I got permission from the maker of the first c130 to use the textures of his cockpit so din't have to woryr about that. What I do need is scripts t5o add to the addon. So anyone who has a script that I can  use please tell me. I am interested in the group eject one and the 21vb cargo script. So If you aare the maker of these scripts please post!
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Lt_Phoenix on 19 Mar 2003, 15:42:59
21VB's page is here:

http://www.21vb.dk/

It's in danish though, so you'll have to find "kontakt os" on the right side of the page.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: DeLiltMon on 19 Mar 2003, 16:04:55
From Gandalf 21vb's profile:
gandalf@21vikings.dk
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Britboy on 19 Mar 2003, 19:30:49
I would prefer a version with no scripts included as well
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Too-Tall on 21 Mar 2003, 06:28:34
duuuude the C130 cockpit textures were streched and non funtional...plz for hte love of god make or find better working textures..with the art horizon, speed, alt, adn otehr various working meters and gauges
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Gunship on 21 Mar 2003, 20:53:05
Im sorry SpclFrcsSnpr i  forget but now i post pics at my page!

http://www.ofp.at (http://www.ofp.at)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Schoeler on 09 Apr 2003, 07:39:32
How is this project going?
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Tigershark on 10 Apr 2003, 04:04:09
Yeah...how is it going...looks like it has great potential.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 11 Apr 2003, 03:01:06
Sorry guys but this project is lost in some of my other projects :-[. What I need is help in the texturing department. So anyone tyhat can texture, please contact me if you want to help. I also have a couple other models that need it as well.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 11 Apr 2003, 03:03:30
Now a pic of my uh-1n
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 11 Apr 2003, 03:05:43
So you see I am a modeler and not much of a texturer, but I am trying to get better at texturing. But if you want to help on any of these just email me at GoArmy86@aol.com. I have gotten all of them ingame and they work so no help needed doin that ;)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Coporal_Punishment on 11 Apr 2003, 07:06:56
Wow they look good tought about a job with BAS
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 11 Apr 2003, 18:44:58
I don't know if BAS is lookin for anybody, but I also think they have to invite you to become part of the team.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Navy Captain on 11 Apr 2003, 20:59:20
Why don't you ask Vixer at BAS if he can skin your moddels, he's a prety talented texturer.....
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Messiah on 11 Apr 2003, 23:16:12
he's also a very busy one
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Navy Captain on 12 Apr 2003, 04:00:44
YEA.......ummmmmmmm but his textures are top knotch. Maybe you could get help from BAS with it....... I would really like to see some fixed wing aircraft from BAS get made, If they expand a bit more and maybe get sum more talented members that might be feaseable...... And possibly could end up with several projects being built at the same time
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Minotaur on 12 Apr 2003, 04:51:31
Unfortunately, SpclFrcsSnpr is not the only talented modeler out there who cant texture.  Those models of the hummer and Uh-1h are very very good.  Maybe Kegetys can help.  I think hes around the official forums.    
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Messiah on 12 Apr 2003, 11:20:12
lol... kegetys is the hermit of ofp.... it would be very unlikely he would help... just because he only works on his own addons... he never does requests, and makes what he wants.... jolly nice bloke though  :)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Mr_Shady on 12 Apr 2003, 16:51:46
Can't begrudge a bloke free use of his time, I guess  :)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Navy Captain on 20 Apr 2003, 20:01:01
any Updates??? Or perhaps a place where we can DL the BETA??
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: SpclFrcsSnpr on 20 Apr 2003, 21:20:52
Sorry been out of town on my free time alot lately, so no updates yet. I am still waiting for pics from a guys to start work again.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Commando on 24 Apr 2003, 19:29:06
ok :) well thx for answering. Hope they send the pics soon.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Colonel Sartin on 26 Apr 2003, 06:04:50
i like the above idea with the abiltiy to drop ammo. also it would be sweet to carry vehicles.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Colonel Sartin on 26 Apr 2003, 06:07:07
i like the above idea with the abiltiy to drop ammo. also it would be sweet to carry vehicles.

Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Navy Captain on 17 May 2003, 19:01:32
any updates?
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Phantom on 20 May 2003, 12:48:37
i think the standard dark grey look would be nice, haven't seen one yet.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: PV on 27 May 2003, 21:14:48
ya.. it need some better texturing.  like this:

(http://www.uvm.edu/~efisher/c-130.jpg)
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Commando on 27 May 2003, 22:20:14
Very good! Only the wing needs more textures. ;D
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: fragsta on 28 May 2003, 21:08:53
That really does look amazing. Good job! The wing does need more textures though.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: PV on 28 May 2003, 22:31:45
that's jsut a reskin of Cpt Moore's C-130, just in case anyone is confused.
Title: Re:New C130
Post by: Monkey Lib Front on 28 May 2003, 23:43:23
http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?s=0277712539771ff5b8865def9a25577a;act=ST;f=54;t=30697;st=0 (http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard311/ikonboard.cgi?s=0277712539771ff5b8865def9a25577a;act=ST;f=54;t=30697;st=0)