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Missions Depot => Mission Discussion => Topic started by: Tomasz on 14 Aug 2004, 18:22:37
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Hey mates,
What do u think about making the BofB campaign strictly based on the movie series. What I mean is 10maga long tough full of atmosphere missions.
Lets put the player into the screen of the movie!
;)
cheers
Tomasz
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I think the idea is great. Many of the WW2 mod player would love it. Go for it.
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every BOB episode? including the training camp in curahee, the part in england and the discovery of the camp (perhaps the best episode :'()? ? ? Or only the "shooting" ones?
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All of them
Tomasz
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i don't want to shoot down your idea, m8s, but the question of legality has come up recently, so you might want to 'modify' the name. I'm pretty sure that the BofB is registered or a TM and that probably won't go over too well with any Hollywood loons ::).
Now, I think that the whole BofB think would be awsome, and granted there was not a half million sodding addons ::) :P, then I would download it ;D
go for it :thumbsup:
cheers,
Tyger
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I have serious doubts that anyone can prevent anyone else from using the phrase 'Band Of Brothers'.
Its a phrase that was in use long before the film was ever thought about.
EDIT: Band of Brothers, comes from a speech delivered by Henry V of England before the Battle of Agincourt in William Shakespeare's Henry V Act IV, Scene 3:
Planck
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like i said, m8,
MIGHT :)
As long as you think you can get away w/ it.
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BoB is probably one of the only film (yeh it's a series but it should have been an extra long film instead - it was just too good for tv) that i think could be pulled off with our oh-so-limited OFP engine although ull need a lot of wrp making.
If ur gonna do this the episode with the tank hiding in a building or bush has to be done perfectly, i loved that so much.
remember only loosely base it on the film unless ur going for pure cinematic awe inspiring quality.
hope u do well, i can see this sucking majorly as most film (i know) based mods do. please do it properly im begging you. ill do the cutscenes if ya give me working links to all the addons if ya wqant.
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Sounds like I great idea to me ;)
although ull need a lot of wrp making
To save the hassle of making loads of "islands" for almost each episode/mission. You could just do one big one (Tonal size) with loads of the scenes on one island.
You could have the base at England on one side of the map and a French town on the other. It would still be the same island.
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If you were gonna do that u'd have to make sure there where triggers around the AO to stop u roaming into old areas.
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True. Lots of BIS missions have that. But the AO's might be so far apart that it would take ages to get there.
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Should we wait for Invasion 44- full to come out?
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If you were gonna do that u'd have to make sure there where triggers around the AO to stop u roaming into old areas.
why not seperate them all in to small islands, but in the same island file thing, so it would be one "island" but it would actually have a bunch
another problem with that though is if the player decides to take a look at the map, he sees every other place on the map.
a simple solution would be (i think) showmap false or something like that, because most people didn't have maps anyway
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yes u shud definatly do that it sounds like a great campiaghn i loved the series and i wud love an ofp campaighn of it i was thinking of doing the same but im working on a campiaghn already so i would just get totaly confused.
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Well i found a campaign about the BoB series. It's in polish, but has english text in the dialogues :D.
The missions are quite short, i played through the entire campaign under 30mins.
Here is a link if you're interested:
Band of Brothers Campaign (http://www.ofp.bmj.pl/index.php?page=kampanie1)
It's the 10th available campaign on the site ( scroll down ). In Polish it's KOMPANIA BRACI
Tomasz
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I think its a great idea ;D , but i've thought of afew things.
Who are you going to play as in each mission? Is it always going to be the same guy, or are you going to make it the main character in each mission (as in, D-day was Lt Winters, Market garden was Bull Randleman etc). It would help to have some variety ;)
Is it going to be completely accurate to the film? I mean, in the D-day mission, are you going to make it so Lt winters only has a knife as a weapon?
Hard huh? ;)
But if you do pull this one off, a hell of a lot of people will download it 8)
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u wont have any problen from HBO as you can say you are just copying Easy company through ww2 they cant say anythin bout that unless any1 from e-company complain
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Some thoughts:
It's a great idea because so much work already done: atmosphere, plot, characters, etc.
But I agree with others that only parts of it are suitable for OFP. Real life can be boring in parts, so when you make a movie or game you have to choose the best, most interesting parts. In OFP we have the added problem ofmaking everything work. I would say pick 4-8 or maybe more, 10, super exciting episodes. The first misison, taking out the 88s (which turn out to be 105s?) was fantabulous: everything OFP is good at...squad takes on a 4-gun emplacement guarded by MGs, soldiers firin the guns, getting the enemy confused so one gun crew fires on another, etc. 1 man lost, then when reinforcements come the idot squad leader gets killed, etc. And a real need to take out the guns, which turn out to be diff than the ones they thought they were attacking.
In same vein, the town battles are scary and amazing. So was ardennes, altho that was essentially avoiding artillery and hoping for best.
The concentration camp would be difficult and boring...you'd probably need new civ prisoner addons. The trainign camp Caheugee (whatever it was) might not work geat in OFP (have you used the obstacles course stuff? Clipping and wall weirdness), but if it ws mostly a cut-scene intro, and short training, combing it with para training and few training jumps, it could be an awesome set-up/training mission to add atmosphere.
Just my thoughts. Def also need the ceme-de-la-creme of the WW2 addons/mods.
It is exciting and maybe could be a Team Effort - not just assigning duties but maybe "episodes"...
PS - Legality of title - tho I'm not an expert, I deal with this stuff a bit: titles (and ideas) can't be copyrighted, tho film titles can be registered for a few years so that other films can't use the same title for a certain amount of time. (note for merchandising some titles are registered as Trademarks, "R" in a circle, or applying for reg "TM" - these are protected, like the singer's name "Billy Joel", "Star Wars"). The story is history and while the books/films can't be copied, the story itself is public domain.
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I agree. Training, and the rest of the non-combat missions would be boring.
However, you could add missions that arn't in the film. If you've read the book, you'll see what I mean. For a start, there were more towns (3 I thing :P ) at bastoge (sp?) that had to be captured, but couldn't be put into the movie. The towns were also captured by the sides more than once.
Also, the carentan mission could be split into 2 missions. The first could be the capture of the town itself, the second could be that bit where they're passing through the field after, and meet the enemy armour. ;)
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Mmmm, adding scenes form book! Excellent. I like it.
Q: 1 - are any WW2 mods already working on this (and if not, why not?!)
2 - when do you get started?
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Hmm :-\
I wasn't really thinking about making it. It was just an idea. Sorry for any disappointement. :hmm:
Tomasz
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Well im sure sumone will take it up one day ;)
Gooner
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Hey, even I may be tempted to make it when Inv44s mod comes out :D
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I think one of the hardest parts in doing the series would be creating the long fire fights. In the series they last 10mins, while if you would put similar forces in similar positions to each other, the firefight would last 2-3mins.
We could ask the OFP WW2 guys in the community to do it, since they have most of the addons ( or all, even though some have not been released ) plus they wouldn't get bored in the process. There are a lot of great, really great editors in the WW2 buff section of our community, so I guess the quality of the missions would be high.
Overall, we should demonstrate that we can handle the challenge better than those two Poles ( who created the campaing I told you about ).
Tomasz
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Well, if I was making it, i'd do this for the firefights.
Invisible targets. Place 'em near the enemys position, and make the guys with .30 cals and MG42s target them. Place acouple more targets, and let the rest of the infantry shoot them randomly. You wouldn't get shot at much, but it would go on for ages. ;)
Oh, and have acouple of triggers re-arming the machine gunners. Random explosions and a battle ambience sound going on in the distance.
Both sides have minimum skill for each unit.
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Nice thoughts out there greg.
Well, I already know what two parts would be my favourite ones:
the charge in the crossroads episode ( where Winters ran ahead of his company )
and the attack on Foy in Ardennes :D
Maybe make them before the rest of the series :P ::)
Tomasz
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The Foy one could be used on Johns new winter Ardennes map. Thats got haystacks and everything. ;)
It would take very good mission maker to make them. It'll need alot of scripting. And you'd need to put 'setcaptive true' on the player just to keep him alive through some bits, like the cross roads.
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Good ideas.
If I was doing a WW2 mod, this is the first thing I'd be working on, tho I guess the 1st thing is making the mod! Hmm, this would be such a great campaign.
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I know someone who's making a WW2 mod, but its the Invasion of France early war mod. 1940 time. 4 years from D-day ::)
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I'm just watching BoB again (my wife found it dirt cheap on DVD so it's all mine now, blahahahaha), and it would be such a great campaign (I know I said that last post). There are many great misisonmakers out there, they should be working on this campaign while the modmakers do their stuff...
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Hmmm there would be a few problems with making this campaign.
no.1 101 airborne units, yes there are some out but not the best addon ever, it would be nice if they used the updated weapons.
no.2 I would prefer this to be made on the book rather than the series because there are loads of things missed out in the book that arn't in the series.
no.3 JOHNs island would kill too many machines, perttis upcoming Bastogne Island would suit it a lot better.
Apart from that it would be good to make this as a campaign, yet it would be harder to capture the feeling of the movie and exactly what it was like over there.
sim
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Agreed, there are those problems.
What kinda updated weapons could the 101st have? They've got Garands, Thompsons, M3A1s and .30 cal's, what more can you ask for? Agreed, the Bazooka could do with being stronger. It took me 8 rounds to take out a BMP with one! ::)
Besides, if someones gunna make it, they should wait for the new normany map to come out aswell. That looks class ;)
And it would need custom music. None of the crappy stuff on OFP, it would need stuff just like the movies.
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I've been with this BofB Idea too for a long time, and i wanted to make it aswell, but i got a short on mates who wanted to do this (They all know nothing about OFP or Scripting (Lamo's))
But Tomasz, if you want to set through with this, then i will help and support you with this 100% Mate!
So just give me a signal if you are willing to do this.
Viper23rd@hotmail.com
Cya Mate.
-XIII