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Title: NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 19 Jul 2003, 20:59:16
Sup all I just started creating mission and stuff and i have a great idea for a campaign based on "operation Restore Hope"
I am going to need help creating the missions mostly scripting and cutscenes, and fixing up the somolian island for ofp 1.46 if you want to help email me at

LTGrizzly2006@yahoo.com

OK here how it starts
mission
1 trainning at mog (Day 1){Morninf}
2. Intel Gatiring in bakarta Market (Day 2) {Afternoon}
3.  Begin Assault (Day3) {NOON}
4. Secure Bakarta Market and Hotel (Day 3.25){AFTERNOON}
5. First BlackHWK HIT (DAY 3.4){Afternoon}
6. Second BlackHawk hit (Day 3.65){Afternoon}
7. Moveing to cover position (Day3.8){evening}
8. LIL bird assault (day 4){midnight}
9. Exfiltration to stadium (day4.5){morning}

It is a lot mor complex and i have it all written down i just need the help
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LCD on 19 Jul 2003, 21:09:24
hey man :wave:

sounds kool ;) (even tho i wud have prefered 2 play da somalian side :P ;))

nywayz recrutin is not allowed in da forums  :-X

so instead use da recruitment dept (http://www.ofpec.com/training/index.php) 2 recruit

nd da intel dept (http://www.ofpec.com/intel/) 2 tel da world bout ur campaign ;)

LCD OUT

P.S

WELCOME 2 DA SEWRES OF EDITING M8
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 19 Jul 2003, 21:14:23
welcome to OFPEC mate. but like LCD said, we're not allowed to ask for that kind of help on here, it gets topic's locked. but, on the note of your campaign, make sure that you know what your doing, and that it's operation restore hope you want to do, not operation continue hope.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: max_killer_payne on 19 Jul 2003, 21:51:26
Kool man. Hope you can pull this off. There isnt really any good BHD missions out there  :(
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 19 Jul 2003, 22:13:42
righto, just to clear it up.
Operation: Restore Hope was the groupf marines sent in initially by the U.S. at the request of the U.N.
Operation: Continue Hope, was the Task Force Ranger (Rangers, 1SFOD-Delta & 160th SOAR) sent in to get Aidid.
So your doing continue hope, not restore hope
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: asmodeus on 20 Jul 2003, 01:25:52
Hey LTGrizzly!

As stated by LCD and Phantom, recruiting is not allowed on the forums.   ;)

I'm going to leave this topic unlocked if you want to get people's feedback on your mission or campaign idea though.  (If not just let me know)  

When in doubt, read the description of the board:

"Suggest and converse on various concepts for Missions & Campaigns ... Rattle your brains and get those Gray Cells moving.. "

So... Please feel free to talk about mission and campaign ideas all you want, just don't recruit here!
 ;)
Asmo
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Batdog on 20 Jul 2003, 04:41:27
More black hawk down

Its everywhere. It becoming as bad as WW2 mission and addons. There everywhere. AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*Ratboy runs off in a mad walking things*
Title: I dint know
Post by: LTGrizzly on 20 Jul 2003, 06:48:38
I am sorry i didnt know i coul'nt recruit here but please leave this meassege unlock because i will like to get some feed back on my mission idea as it progresses
 and to Ratboy dont worry this is going to be pretty good not just based on blackhawk down but more complex with actual sounds and so forth
I am getting my information from here
http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia (http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia)
So it will be very accurate and very "simlistic"

FYI i will add orginal message to recruiting sec.
Thnx LTGrizzly
Title: I think i will create An entire Campaign
Post by: LTGrizzly on 20 Jul 2003, 07:10:55
I think i will start with Operation Restore Hope, by adding maybe 2 missions of some of the skirmish Marines got into but i am not sure yet :hmm:, i need to do more reaserch on those skirmishes before
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: max_killer_payne on 20 Jul 2003, 11:03:42
Finally someone who does a background check b4 heading straight into the mission building phase.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Gooner861 on 21 Jul 2003, 00:49:52
Sounds good, but its gonna take ages to make.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Captain Winters on 21 Jul 2003, 02:46:05
No it's not. Way bigger projects were done quicker, with good results. All you need is the time  :)

Tanks! 8)
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 21 Jul 2003, 04:00:40
there are several reasons why there are no good bhd missions

1: people in ofp die too fast

2: real cqb is pretty much impossible

3: lag

4: not-so-good heli ai

5: etc

ways to remedy this:

1: come up with a mission that will work well in ofp (by avoiding the points above)

2: go play the blackhawkdown map in cs (this is what i do)

3: do one hell of a good job designing the mission
Title: LTGrizz reply
Post by: LTGrizzly on 21 Jul 2003, 04:26:16
well actualy i am not planning any CQB cause its imposible in OFP basically the assualt will be taking a "chalk team" and secureing one of the corners on the LZ once this is complete i will probally use a script and "warp" the delta guys out of the structure with the "prisioners"
as for the other missions most of the fighting will be urban street to street fighting. though i need to create the map before even thinking about begining, the map i want to be created will be accurate by topagrapy and will be created from photos using wrp to closely symbolise mog
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 22 Jul 2003, 06:12:32
thats a good couple months work you just set out for yourself
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 22 Jul 2003, 11:04:39
CQB does NOT have to be indoors!!! This is to Pablo and anyone else that says CQB can't be done. Fighting in buildings isn't worth the effort unless it's DM or somethin. but go into some of the towns and they're a good size for street fighting/CQB/CQC.

it's entirely possible to make area's feel smaller because of sounds, if it's possible, have people on the roof's lying down and firing bullets that do no damage, and have people run across big long streets!
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 22 Jul 2003, 16:01:27
i didn't say cqb can't be done in some shape or form, i said:

"2: real cqb is pretty much impossible"

i don't consider street fighting cqb, i consider it urban warfare; while we are on the topic, though, i will point to point number uno:

"1: people in ofp die too fast"

they die even faster in street fighting, and as any true ofp leader will tell you, the best way to clear a town is to camp outside the town and gun down anything that moves inside it.  thus, true street fighting in ofp is also very hard (if you are leading a squad like in bhd)
Title: FROM LT
Post by: LTGrizzly on 22 Jul 2003, 20:44:45
Well phantom your partially wrong, the definition of Close Quarters Battle {CQB} relates to combat indoors to secure an objective thus making it harder or impossible in OFP because you can not place units in deferent positions or on a second floor or sniping position on the roof (I'm pretty sure if it can not be done and if you know how please do tell)

Know as for Street to street fighting there will be a lot of that, I will post at a later date on the missions to the campaign once I finish my research on skirmish and other duties of soldiers  involved with operation Restore/Continue Hope

P.S. IF YOU DIE TO FAST IN OFP ITS ON YOU!!!! CAUSE OFP IS COMPLEX REALISTIC SIM IN OTHER WORDS IF YOUR IN ACTUAL COMBAT YOU WONT MAKE IT!!!!!!!


THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: max_killer_payne on 22 Jul 2003, 21:51:45
Quote
P.S. IF YOU DIE TO FAST IN OFP ITS ON YOU!!!! CAUSE OFP IS COMPLEX REALISTIC SIM IN OTHER WORDS IF YOUR IN ACTUAL COMBAT YOU WONT MAKE IT!!!!!!!

So you really reckon a soldier could get a head shot on you
with an AK47 from 300 yards??
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LCD on 22 Jul 2003, 21:55:12
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So you really reckon a soldier could get a head shot on you
with an AK47 from 300 yards??

actualy yes :P

w/ bit of luck nd if he is v good shot ? it can b posible :P

LCD OUT
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: max_killer_payne on 22 Jul 2003, 21:57:22
well, generally in most missions the enemy skill level will be in the middle, so I really doubt they could hit them. I can't remember if the mod is still up, I know its out for Ghost Recon though, they made all the weapons again to real life stats and they couldnt hit one of those targets at 200m with an AK47
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LCD on 22 Jul 2003, 22:03:02
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they made all the weapons again to real life stats and they couldnt hit one of those targets at 200m with an AK47

so its da game engine prob dat take it all 2 much :P

after all if da AK47 cudnt hit from 200 M how comes it was used wen da U.S loose in vietnam (nd dey did hit i think ::)) nd dey stil used in wars now nd somtimes in v efective way

LCD OUT
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: max_killer_payne on 22 Jul 2003, 22:19:43
How many more times are you gonna prove me wrong tonite  ;D ?
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LCD on 22 Jul 2003, 22:28:48
as long as u say wrong things ;) :P

btw da AK47 is not as bad as u r (da most of u) lead 2 belive ;)

it got som things beter dan da M16 ;) - like higher rate of fire, it can b used longer time w/o cleanin (wat make it so good 4 guerila) nd som oder things ;)

LCD OUT
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Kaliyuga on 22 Jul 2003, 22:41:38
So you really reckon a soldier could get a head shot on you
with an AK47 from 300 yards??

According to the Kalashnikov  website the maximum killing range of an AK-47 happens to be 1500m

so I wouldn't think 300 would be too tough of a shot for a skilled shot
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 22 Jul 2003, 23:34:32
Ok as for the AK at 300 yrds it tottaly possible in real life seen it done. as for me I have got head and chest shots with M4 at 200+ yrds (im trainning to be a cop) as well in the mil you need to qualify with M16 at 100, 200 250 yrds with a M-16 so there you go.
In the game i will ajust most of the enemy skill level to novince cause most somolians werent regulars


THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 23 Jul 2003, 01:18:19
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P.S. IF YOU DIE TO FAST IN OFP ITS ON YOU!!!! CAUSE OFP IS COMPLEX REALISTIC SIM IN OTHER WORDS IF YOUR IN ACTUAL COMBAT YOU WONT MAKE IT!!!!!!!

i wasn't talking about the amount of health people have, i was talking about the ai.

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actualy yes

w/ bit of luck nd if he is v good shot ? it can b posible

his point was that in ofp you quite often get shot from 200+ yards by a regular infantryman's 1st - 3rd shot while you are running perpendicular to him at full speed.  that has nothing to do with what's "possible"
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LCD on 23 Jul 2003, 01:50:40
rofl

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his point was that in ofp you quite often get shot from 200+ yards by a regular infantryman's 1st - 3rd shot while you are running perpendicular to him at full speed.  that has nothing to do with what's "possible"

den his point was wrong ::) i know i (nd im sure som of da oder good mision makers) tend 2 put our AIs on da top skils 2 make misions harder - if u realy put da skil 2 reflect da rank (private gets bout 0) den he can shot 2 save his life - i know dey 1ce shot @ me bout 10 times (alwayz mising) til i found em nd killed em (on low skil)

LCD OUT
Title: FROM LT
Post by: LTGrizzly on 23 Jul 2003, 02:00:55
Well Pablo let me tell you bro, In combat the first thing they teach you to do when engaging the enemy is get low and find cover, while provideing cover fire for comrades as they do the same for you its 1.2.3. cover fire 1.2.3. fire you never stand up. unless your clear (behind object) its no wonder you keep dieing! ;D
anyways my progress for today is .5% done :'(
all i have are the maps drawn out for the main assault of Nov 3, 1993 a collection of actual radio transmisions of that day and addons i want to use, as well as what will be an actual brief notes (i.e. ROE, POB, Objectives, Intel, Weps, CoC, AoA, and glossery[for example these terms] ect.)


THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA
Title: I ment OCT
Post by: LTGrizzly on 23 Jul 2003, 02:07:44
WRONG DATE 3-4 October 1993  Operation Continue Hope  :gunman:

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA  
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 23 Jul 2003, 02:18:37
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Well Pablo let me tell you bro, In combat the first thing they teach you to do when engaging the enemy is get low and find cover, while provideing cover fire for comrades as they do the same for you its 1.2.3. cover fire 1.2.3. fire you never stand up. unless your clear (behind object) its no wonder you keep dieing!

lol you still don't understand, i'm not talking about the ai being too hard, or me having too little health.  i was saying that the ai sucks in street fights, and if you are leading a group of ai soldiers, your ai teammates will die really fast, because they don't look for cover.

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if u realy put da skil 2 reflect da rank (private gets bout 0) den he can shot 2 save his life - i know dey 1ce shot @ me bout 10 times (alwayz mising) til i found em nd killed em (on low skil)

i'm not talking about the way it should be, i'm talking about the way it is; even on BIS missions that happens to me.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 23 Jul 2003, 02:34:50
 :o OHHHH OK I see....

Well usaly when im leading in urban  against AI the first thing i do is duck down behind some thing and go to map view and manualy move my troops to cover  in groups, do this by assigning color teams to 2-3 man teams, while keeping a machine gunner laying cover fire (even though he will engage at burst fire) once i asign the locations to the squad i whould then engage the enemy my self while the squad and I are either flanking or retreating farther (here is were the 1.2.3 fire comes into play[rember to crawl or skull around dont stand unless your clear]) .  usaly the enemy ai will look for cover and i will suffer very little casualties maybe 2 troops while inflicting major losses for them.

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 23 Jul 2003, 02:39:12
that takes too much time :P
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 23 Jul 2003, 02:58:09
NAH you assign the teams right when mission loads and it take 4 secs max to do

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 23 Jul 2003, 06:13:57
Hey good news i just teamed up with
Hooah! Productions
http://hooahpros.tacticalblunder.com (http://hooahpros.tacticalblunder.com)
to create the campaign

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 23 Jul 2003, 11:12:41
stop PUTTING THAT ANOOYING RED TEXT in PLEASE!!!
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 23 Jul 2003, 21:18:48
good luck, you will need it with such lofty goals
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: max_killer_payne on 23 Jul 2003, 21:37:18
Yeah. I agree. I mean LTGrizzly what your trying to pull off will be good but is gonna be extremely hard to accomplish if you do manage to pull it off, it will obvious that there is a gaming god out there . . . . . .
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 24 Jul 2003, 23:47:36
Well let the trumpets play cause IT WILL BE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right now I have completed 90% of the  Reaserch and the Missions will be as Follows.. the ? means i need more reserch or intel/input fro team members
REMBER TO VISIT OUR SITE and FOURM!!!
http://hooahpros.tacticalblunder.com (http://hooahpros.tacticalblunder.com)
INTRO to OPERATION RESTORE HOPE
1.   Beach landing
2.   Secure North perimeter Airfield
3.   Convoy Assistance
4.   Embassy Perimeter Secure??
5.   Embassy Evac????
6.   Food Disturbance ???
7.   SEAL MISSION???
INTRO TO OPERATION CONTINUE HOPE
1.   Training
2.   Intel Gathering
3.   Capture Lt.
4.   Practice for Irene
5.   Battle of Mog Part 1
6.   Part 2 First BHD
7.   Part 2 Second BHD
8.   Part 3 Ranger Pinned
9.   The Mog MILE
10.   Lost Convey??
11.   Sniper to the Rescue???

There will be some more probably

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA  

^I PUT THIS BECAUSE ITS TRUE^
 

Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 25 Jul 2003, 04:44:14
How do you plan to do the Mog MILE mission? The AI, even on Rookie or Recruit, is way too accurate for any member of the Task Force to survive if he's not in a vehicle. Unless you come up with a "qat" script that makes the Somalis shoot like druggies, then it'll be bye-bye to Task Force Ranger.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 25 Jul 2003, 04:48:58
Oh, and this is off-topic, and I hope I don't piss anyone off :-\, but has anyone thought of doing a campaign as a Somalian militiaman? It'd be very different, and very hard, cuz your men couldn't shoot accurately if their lives depended on it, and they'd all be really slow. You'd also be facing elite troops who could accurately pop you at a distance. Oh yeah, and your weapons would suck too, so you could fight rival militiamen to accumulate a better weapons pool. With the amount of inter-tribal warfare in Mogadishu, you'd actually spend most of your time fighting rival militia bands. In fact, fighting the Americans could be made an option for those who wish to essentially commit suicide by fighting a vastly more deadly force.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 25 Jul 2003, 07:04:58
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It'd be very different, and very hard, cuz your men couldn't shoot accurately if their lives depended on it, and they'd all be really slow. You'd also be facing elite troops who could accurately pop you at a distance.

lol you just described every official ofp mission (and most of the unofficial ones)
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 25 Jul 2003, 17:10:37
LTGrizzly, I don't care if it's true. It gets extremely annoying seeing it over and over again in big glowing red letters!

What's with all the question marks, are you asking should i put this artificial mission in, or are you asking if it happened.
There was no practice for Irene, I don't know where the hell you got that idea from. Maybe that's in the last 10% of the research you haven't done yet.

As for the mogadishu mile, not only would it be very boring, but shooting isn't a problem. Because they ran out, they didn't get chased the whole bloody way. They let them leave.

Also, I think that the training, which i'm assuming was the range work you see in the movie, would be a tad un-nessesary. What purpose would it serve?

Oh, and again, and lastly, you saying that it's not another one of those crappy BHD missions, is not only insulting to anyone who's made one, which you probably haven't played.  It also makes you look a tad up-yourself. Let us judge what it's like when it's finished. It's not a crappy mission, because it's a campaign, that's a given. And it's not lookin all that complex.
Anyway, it's your rep.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 25 Jul 2003, 20:50:34
lol you just described every official ofp mission (and most of the unofficial ones)

Yeah, but imagine how much harder it gets when your men have terrible experience. Try creating a group of elite BAS Deltas, and turn them loose on a bunch of hostile civvies with AKs, and set the experience of every civvy on 0. Now stand back and watch the fireworks.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 25 Jul 2003, 21:02:14
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Yeah, but imagine how much harder it gets when your men have terrible experience. Try creating a group of elite BAS Deltas, and turn them loose on a bunch of hostile civvies with AKs, and set the experience of every civvy on 0. Now stand back and watch the fireworks.

i think most people have a hard enough time keeping their men alive already
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 25 Jul 2003, 21:17:16
i think most people have a hard enough time keeping their men alive already

Exactly. It'd be a huge challenge!
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 25 Jul 2003, 21:39:55
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i think most people have a hard enough time keeping their men alive already

let me stress the
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hard enough

people like challenges as long as they are fair, putting the player by himself against delta force isn't very fair
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 25 Jul 2003, 21:57:52
That's why it could be optional whether you want to fight the Americans. If you don't want to fight them, then run!!!
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 25 Jul 2003, 22:03:02
oh i get it now, so the real enemy would be the enemy tribes...
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 25 Jul 2003, 22:07:37
Yeah, and maybe if you make too much of a stink in an area, then the Americans show up to break up the fight and shoot up your militia-band.
Title: HAHA
Post by: LTGrizzly on 26 Jul 2003, 01:18:51
Ok first of all
The MOG Mile will be a mission starting early morning with a cut scene of the Lilbirds engaging targets like the movie/book then mission will be early morning with UN trps entering the city and escorting US out of there basically it will end once u get out of the city limit and your not being engage (remember that the US troops were escorted with APC) and the outro cut scene will be trps at paki stadium part this will conclude the campaign! then the outroto the entire Somalia Conflict

Second the ? marks mean that I need input from team members to see if it will work with the exception to Embassy Evac because im still doing research on the State Dept web site, As for the other missions with ? they happen USMC mission in Somalia was to escort/secure convoys, arrest Bad guys, and secure major roads and CP

As for the training/Irene part this happen in real life (go to www.dod.gov/, though to view some pages you need a DOD password/clearance which I have! )
Rangers train every day so in the game you will train it will consist of an obstacle course and range as well as repelling, and full alerts this is were the Irene Part comes in (When base was put on Full alert the troops general bordered Choppers or assisted in reinforcing perimeter(s))
To Phantom I have played virtually all blackhawk down missions that I could find  I can truly say they are all worthless just basic rip-offs of the movie and do not display or depict what has happen in mog or Somalia, this is because Most mission makers go in right in to making thier mission and not what really happen as for my teams mission(s) they will be historically accurate depicting the life of a ranger/marine in every way possible with in the game. Also I pride Myself of being lucky enough to be born in a country were i have the right and freedom to have my opinon, So in another worders kiss my yankee  :booty:
 
Still conversing with my team about these missions
10. Lost Convey?? Will be  Col. Danny Mcknight trying to Nav trough mog unknown if we will do need info from team members
11. Sniper to the Rescue??? Will be Delta Sgt. First Class Randy Shughart and Master Sgt. Gary Gordon at Mike Durants Crash Site

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA    

PS
1.I don't think I can make the Somalian militia mission maybe as a second realese when my campaign is a SUCCESS ;D
2. We are curently working of a Map of Mog and Western cost of Somalia that will be very accurate taken from, picture satt images, And Terrian details
3. Its gona kick A$$ trust me!!! Were using great scripts,  music autentic radio transmmision, and the best addons
Title: Re:HAHA
Post by: m21man on 26 Jul 2003, 02:21:58
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The MOG Mile will be a mission starting early morning with a cut scene of the Lilbirds engaging targets like the movie/book then mission will be early morning with UN trps entering the city and escorting US out of there basically it will end once u get out of the city limit and your not being engage (remember that the US troops were escorted with APC) and the outro cut scene will be trps at paki stadium part this will conclude the campaign! then the outroto the entire Somalia Conflict

Not to be overly annoying, but what's the fun of OFP if you're not fighting? Besides, huge APC columns + city environment = APCs crashing around like drunks.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 26 Jul 2003, 02:27:36
Sniper To The Rescue ???

Even with the goddawful aim of OFP soldiers, they will end up hitting the snipers extremely quickly. Unless you were to make a little script that reduces the damage done by each bullet, then the Deltas will perish too quickly to make a viable mission. Perhaps you could do a mission where you are a Little Bird pilot attempting to defend the crash site ???.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 26 Jul 2003, 02:31:04
Speaking of which, are you going to do any helicopter missions? For instance, you could pilot one of the AH-6s during the gun runs (DON'T HIT YOUR GUYS!!!), or you could play Star Four One and land in an alley then evacuate the Deltas at Crash One.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 26 Jul 2003, 05:38:08
grizzly, you need to understand that the movie took creative license. they had to make composite characters and such to get as much of the story in as possible.

sure they train every day,  but what's so fun about pressing enter, then choosing rappel. there's no skill involved, it's just pointless boredom. i forgot about the training part, i remember reading about it now.

but as for the movie being innaccurate, I think Col. Lee Van Arsdale and Col. Tom Matthews would take great offense to that. They were not only the advisors for the movie, but I've heard them say themselves how accurate it is. I've heard Col. Danny McKnight and MSgt. Matt Eversman say it as well.

this also seems to be turning into self advertising. don't tell me what to think about your campaign. just tell me what your doing and let me decide for myself
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: max_killer_payne on 26 Jul 2003, 12:13:26
Not to be overly annoying, but what's the fun of OFP if you're not fighting? Besides, huge APC columns + city environment = APCs crashing around like drunks.

Couldnt agree more. All that will happen is that really annoying thing, when the vehicles decide to bounce up and down  :o and the somlias will kill you with ease. Soldiers in OFP have amazing accuracy. You and your sqaud will reporting 'OH NO! 2 IS DOWN' and 'DAMN, 1 IS DOWN' with a constant shift of command. Also the deltas were low on ammo, and the somalias had vehicles with MG mounted on. And on OFP allowing the enemy to get within 1000m with an M2 MG with enemy units will lead to certain death. I mean, have a go at this by all means. But what your trying to do, is practically impossible.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 26 Jul 2003, 14:22:07
max is right.
it's all balance. between realism and fuctionality. fact, and what works. sure, i'd love to be able to have it like real life, i'm probably one of the most public pro absolute-realism people in this forum. But experience has taught me that it just don't work that way.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 26 Jul 2003, 21:02:55
Well first let me clear this up I said that peoples (basically the mission makers) rendition of the movie is inaccurate in no way or form did I say that the Movie was inaccurate I thought the movie covered the points that the book and other documentation of the account, quite accurately


On a second note I have not had the problem with large convoys running in to things basically the way to counter this I think is to add a lot of way points and keep them on the major roads If you remember the first part of the convey mission there was I believe 16 vehicles and in the second there were over 40 (and half of them split up and ¼ got lost again) basically there will be some good scripts(ing) involved

As for the Snipers they will die eventually your mission will be to secure the crash site for as long as possible I am still not sure if my team at Hooah wants to add this mission

As for training mission(s) we will add two. But on a plus you will be able to skip training missions because as stated "what fun of it" now I believe I  will add a lot to these so maybe you might want to try it out first

As for the "Mog Mile"  It not just the convey and no fun you will need to do a lil recon then moving then recon as not to get lost with the convey and find your way out of the city ( someone said that they were let go) that is not true infact the only reason that retreating soilders were not engaged heavily towards the end was that that was considered friendly territory and somolians were burring the dead as to Islamic customs
At first when the convey finds you will use the convey for cover while you begin retreat then begin to recon streets ahead to find the best rotes out to paki stadium
Third I have not covered this in previous post the mission briefings. I will make the mission briefings as real as possible with the proper notes RoE's PoB's, CoC's ect. It will be taken form the DoD site about Mog


I really appreciate your Input and concers
and remember that

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA  

PS also rember that this is constatly changing as to see what works with OFPR and OFP, I think I covered everything and if i did not cover your concern repost Also remember that this is not just the Armys mission in Somalia but it will cover the USMC and USN mission aswell
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 26 Jul 2003, 21:27:57
One more thing we we are still creating our Somalia/Mog map with all the western Citys included 3% done
also we are creating a Somalian Miliatia Addon that will have diffrent sizes to the charectors ect but there is no status on this because we have no addon maker yet
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: .pablo. on 26 Jul 2003, 21:36:38
i like good training missions, one of the problems i see with most gamers is they skip the training and then complain when the mission is "too hard."  as long as the training is teaching the player how to stay alive in the "real thing," it is just as important as any "real" mission.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: m21man on 27 Jul 2003, 02:20:14
Yeah, try to make your training missions cool. For instance, have a CQB training course where, within a certain time, you have to move in and neutralize the targets inside a mockup of a Somali building. You could have red targets for hostiles and blue for friendlies, and if you shoot a friendly, you fail. This would be really different, but you could only do it alone because OFP soldiers can't fight CQB for sh*t.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: max_killer_payne on 27 Jul 2003, 12:23:52
LTGrizzly one thing. Can you stop writing that at the end of your posts?

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA


Its getting annoying. Im sure im not the only one who feels this way. I dont mean to b rude, but we get the picture. We now know that this is going to be a complex campaign on a military operation in somalia and not one of those crappy BHD missions. We can see it, you dont need to post it after every one of your posts.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 27 Jul 2003, 15:37:14
Your not. I've already voiced my opinion on it a couple of times. You only needed to put it in once. Repeatedly drilling it into us is not only pointless, but annoying.
Title: Re:Trainning Mission
Post by: LTGrizzly on 27 Jul 2003, 21:24:44
Well for the trainning mission I was always planning to create a "kill house" / Urban trainnig area the only reason i dint post was because It was going to be Unique but since the cat out of the bag let me tell you who it goes and you can post your opion

First Base goes on allert You then board Chopper (either Lil bird or Blkhwk depens on what unit i decide u should be for the trainning then move to the beach south of the trainning range and obstacle coure and you will be at the kill house/Urban trainning area this will help in group movents and i will write some unique scripts here
second you will have to PT yourself in formaion back toward the Obstacle course  then to Rifle range you then board up and go for a ride and go RTB (there will be a little bit more stuff i.e. repalling driving/mounted fire trainn ect)

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK!? GOOD OR WILL IT BE BORING???

I keep puting that to remind you it wont suck!!!!!!!

BUT I WILL STOP CAUSE I RESPECT YOUR THOUGHTS AND OPINONS  ;)
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 27 Jul 2003, 21:29:37
OH one more thing I finish my reaserch and found out that the Embassy was Evaced but it happen almost 2 years before Operation Restore hoped when Under Way still dont know if i will add it ???

Evac January 2-11, 1991 Evac of Embassy (Operation Eastern Exit)
December 9, 1992 Marines Land at Mog (Operation Restore Hope)

What do you think i should do?
(I would like to create a entire campaign on military operations in Somolia)
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Phantom on 28 Jul 2003, 15:27:41
if your respect our thoughts and opinions, you could've done it the first time. and reminding us it won't be crappy is pointless, as i've said before, make it and let us judge for ourselves, instead of ramming it down our throats.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Black_Feather on 30 Jul 2003, 00:58:11
Please don't drag the thread off topic about this Phantom,

THIS WILL NOT BE ONE OF THOSE CRAPPY BHD MISSIONS BUT A COMPLEX CAMPAIGN ON MILITARY OPERATION IN SOMALIA

LTGrizzly you could put that in your sig if you want and save on typing  ;)
Title: Progress
Post by: LTGrizzly on 31 Jul 2003, 05:22:20
Tnx Black Feather for the Support you must know the meaning of freedom of speech  ;D    hehe
Here is an update of my teams progress
we are curently 10% done Over all
Research 100% done
Mission Planing 15%
Mission Making 0%
Map planning 50%
Map Work 0%
Addons 0 % (not including ready made one we plan to use)
Collection of sounds 50%
In the Game your charector will be a;
Sgt in the 15th MEU
A Capt from the HMM161 and HMLA-369  
Sgt. with the Rangers
CWO with SOAR
(pending) Delta
(pending) Seal
(pending) 10th Mt
This is Historically correct :) not ur basic put togheter stuff
Title: Re:HAHA
Post by: Captain Winters on 31 Jul 2003, 05:31:34
Not to be overly annoying, but what's the fun of OFP if you're not fighting? Besides, huge APC columns + city environment = APCs crashing around like drunks.

it's a technique i use ALOT! it's too engross the player into his surroundings, make him feel like hes ther  :)

Tanks! 8)
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: hooahman on 31 Jul 2003, 05:33:15
Guys let me say just one thing.  I am the leader of LtGrizz's mod and you wouldnt believe the amount of work he has put into this.  He has spent hours upon hours researching for this campaign.  Believe him when he says that it will be realistic.  He won't allow anything other lol  ;D.  Just wanted to say this  :).    
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Captain Winters on 31 Jul 2003, 05:35:03
btw man! sounds like its gona be a fun campign! i'll back you up man! ned any help IM me :)

Tanks! 8)
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: Homefry31464 on 02 Aug 2003, 03:09:42
Wow, this sounds awesome.  Not sure if anyone here has played BHD from Novalogic, I realise it isn't realsitic, but there are plenty of missions you can get ideas from.  I suppose some of them were based upon fact.
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: LTGrizzly on 02 Aug 2003, 08:00:37
Like we Keep saying this campaign will feature Authentic Mission We currentl have 2 people reaserching myseld and SlyRedFox I am reasearching USMC and Navy and SlyRedFox is reasearching Army Airforce :) take a look at our site for more info on reasearch
Title: Re:NEED HELP WITH CAMPAIGN
Post by: hooahman on 02 Aug 2003, 10:00:04
Homefry, I have DFBHD and we will probably use some ideas from their mission in ours.  (fun game isnt it)
Title: UPDATE
Post by: LTGrizzly on 09 Aug 2003, 05:07:01
Here is an update of our Project I may post this in a new Topic soon. Ok we are curently  12% done Over all
Research 100% done
Mission Planing 45%
Mission Making 0%
Map planning 60%
Map Work 0%
Addons 0 % (not including ready made one we plan to use)
Collection of sounds 50%
Please note that Hooah Pros is not a MOD, We are a Production Team with very talented scripters and Mission Makers, we are currently growing stronger with more people joing our team. We are planning Realistic and Historical Missions for the gammer to enjoy and perhaps understand the life that a combatan endures.