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Addons & Mods Depot => OFP - Addons & Mods Beta Testing => Topic started by: Raven on 24 Aug 2002, 19:52:45
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Hi Guys
Sorry for all the problems caused by this the first time round, I'll try again. Main reason for asking again is my wife wants a female resistance soldier/chara ???cter. I Started this topic in the General editing forum about using the female faces in Resistance for soldiers, etc. Hit a wall as no one seem to know why they won't work in the editior or through the player slection. Has anyone thought of doing female soldier addons, ie pilots, troopers etc. ???
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there are resistance women soilders but in plain clothes millitia or summit like that
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If OFP:R females are coded the same way as in the original OFP, then setface won't work because the model uses a different set of face textures than the standard soldier units.
You can edit those textures to make an addon with a different female face.
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Isn't this just a case of modelling a female soldier and using the female anims from Res on it? Not a problem as far as I can see, but that's because I don't model and I don't understand all this addons malarkey, even though I've been lurking around various forums since I got the game on its release ;D
If someone makes female military personnel, then to tie up the loose ends we'd need them to hold a gun properly[/] in 1st person (give a girl a weapon in Res and look at the hands.... see what I mean, all to hell) and get someone to record some female voices. I'm sick of hearing the high-pitched men's voices when I'm messing about with random stuff with the editor.
And I know my next comment will be ludicrously off-topic, and I apologise for any offense I cause, but I feel I need to say it.
This is probably the friendliest forum I use, and most people are happy to help others. It's just a shame that the occasional badly-judged comment or "joke" can spoil it every now and then.
And if I offended anyone or gained the attention of the dreaded moderators, I'll consider myself warned and slap my wrists. But if I didn't, i won't and wonn't. If that makes sense.
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so nobody can take a joke in this forum hmmmmmmmmmmm
interesting
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Easy "jimmy", just let people get what they wanted when they started this thread.
Mr_Shady gave a nice apology and at the same time managed to get his view across politely (although it may not be the view of others in the forum). Worst thing to do now would be to start kicking off again.
I don't mean to ruin a party but this IS a all-person forum and you should stick to its rules
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same goes - u reacted after my post - so sorry on that...
anyway - so stt - bis didnt let us setface the female faces? wtf is that all about.... hmmm.... dunno why bis have to make our lives so hard :hmm:
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Okay, let's all be grown up about this and try to achieve something.
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well if you put a womans face on a guys body it'll look weird like a lady boy!
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in the words of arosmith "DUDE LOOKS LIKE A LADY"
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Welcome to the Ban List.
*Sighs*
Some people just can't be helped.
Feel free to continue on with the Topic gentlemen.
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cheers wolfsbane
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Well Since the US Army wont Let Women be Infantry (I Think thats kind of Dumb) I can Under Stand that Game won't allow it, But Pilots there are lots of Female Pilots in all Services, and Sailors too, But OFP Doesn't have Sailors (Hint! Hint! ;) ) but there are lots of Probs with theFaces in Falshpiont for example, Guys with Beards and Goates NO! thats wrong they cant have that, so I'd recomend, well I don't know what I'm talking about, but I know if you the Player was a Male face and put your self as a woman (Don't Ask!) you'll show up as a woman. Also whats with the Voices? they sound like Men (some times) is there a way to make a new voice? or would you need BIS to do that?
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they sound like men when they die - and unless u make a new addon of them then u will have to wait for BIS to fix it.
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sorry if i get a little of the topic fellas, but... Punker,
there are alot of reasons the army doesn't allow them in, one of the major reasons simply, in case of capture, what our enemys might do to them. They know we treasure our women and consider them equals, they would make sure to make them suffer horribly. i could go on for ever, but like i said i don't want to get off topic. We do teach them to fight though...
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we dont send them into front line situation - in the balkans, female soldiers lead peace keeping and medical aid missions - think about it - some woman has been raped by retreating soldiers - then british soldiers come along - the last thing this woman is gonna trust is another soldier - now put a woman in and you gain her trust that much more...
but Vera got it spot on - in capture there alot of things an enemy may do to a female soldier that they cant do to a male... its a case of morals and ethics i guess.
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That's exactly why women aren't allowed to fight... oh God, they can fight, trust me! A friend of mine plays for the local all-girls rugby team, and I went watching out of interest. Christ, the carnage...
Don't the Israelis have female front-line infantry regiments or was my old history teacher talking cr@p again?
Anyway, the voices are just high-pitched men's voices- go into the player edit menu and crank some of the voices up to max pitch. And in Res you can use a female face as your default face, even though it only works on the female models (when you use a male model you get the standard bearded guy).
The things you learn when you aimlessly click on stuff.
Oh, and just a thought on the morals and ethics stuff...
If we are all equal in the eyes of the law etc. etc. why are men and women different, eh? And if equality exists, why is a man getting killed in battle no different from a woman being killed?
Not my POV, as I feel that women shouldn't serve in the military, as every member of an armed force should be battle ready, from the plumpest pastry cook to the desk officers back home. As I feel that there is something morally wrong about sending the mothers of our children off to their deaths, it is my belief that women shouldn't ever be put in that situation.
Now my g/f's going to kick me to death for being a chauvinistic pig if she reads this....
Again, I mean no offence by any of my comments, and feel that everyone is entitled to their own views, even if they are:
-Sexist
-Racist
-Whatever -ist
-Stupid
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Israeli forces have female frontline soldiers and snipers. They fight equally (and in some cases better) than men. In fact, statistically i read somewhere that men hesitate more often in battle than a female does.
But.. as pointed out before. The things an enemy can do to a female soldier is not pretty. And we react "better" to a male being mistreated, than a female. So the battle morale and "coolness" under fire can take a fiery turn. Either they just freak out and go into a state of passive shock, or they just charge in blind rage trying to kill everything they see.
So in short, females can fight. But it might not be the best idea to send them in first.
On a side note, tests made with female interrigators showed that they were more prone to violance towards their subject when stressed than their male counterparts. :)
I think the myth of "the weaker sex" is long ago dispelled.
Have fun,
HuBBa
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lol - Hubba - send my gf to the front line - she'd sort it all out no probs - weaker sex - lol - no way near
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*tries really hard not to kick off and mow everybody down with her RPK*
Okay, on ethics this is how I see it....
In places like Stalingrad, females fought equally alongside men and in a city where the life-expectancy of a soldier was 24 hours they did comendable. Women have been given five fingers by god on two hands, and that's all you need to use a gun and blow somebody's head off.
On another note, God made the woman more slender, small, and less physically strong. Considering some of the feats of stamina and strength a respectable soldier is expected to achieve in modern day warfare I find it highly laughable when fellow females say they can do the job "better" than a well built male.
BTW, women often feel robbed and insulted when men say they cannot fight; women can fight, but men are more designed for it. Anybody, both male and female, who says they WANT to be put on the front line is actually too f--king crazy to be entrusted with a gun after considering the horrors of war. That's how I see it.
The only exception to this is the lesbian, who without doubt is born for the battlefield.
NOW BACK ON TRACK
Is anybody making any female fighters? I think it would be cool if somebody made:
Female resistance members (Seems reasonable enough)
Female police officers (Would happen)
Female Pilots (Police - East - West - Whatever)
Females scantly clad (seriously - used as a diversion in infiltration missions - I stole the idea from Commandos II)
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Hi Guys
As I started this topic of thought I'd better put my 5 peneth in. I agree with all that has been said above about putting women into front line units, but as was mentioned by punker there are female pilots etc in all services, and after all we are only talking about a game (we are aren't we?). There are female players out there, we have two in our LAN group, give my wife a black ops with a scoped MP5 and she will kick @rse with the best of them. I would be nice to see somthing for them, even if it is only a single female face that works in the player setup.
Also, as I said in the original thred, I'm talking about resistance fighters. Surley whether man or women, if you belive in somthing strongly enough and the call comes, you will pick up a gun and fight, look at some of the countries in the world today (no names, I have no intrest in getting into politics).
Please do not think I want to stop the thred, but has all this come to any conclusion, will we see female soldier addons on are they a no go.
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This doesn't have much to do w/ the topic but it made me think of this. My grandmother doesn't trust women to be pilots. ???
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Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep!
*SEAL pulls out his Colt .45 and checks the mag, eyeing Sheep's RPK warily*
An empty void in the halls of OFPEC have been filled once again. Hail!
Anyway, female resistance fighters are definitely a must-have. In WW2 France lots of Partisans and agents were females. So like Raven said, if the cause is worthy enough anyone will fight.
But, American or Russian female front-line infantry doesn't feel right, no disrespect intended.
Just on the side, if those terrorist bastards hit my country again, screw the horrors of war, gimme an M16 and a K-pot. I'll hit the battlefield for the Stars and Stripes.
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*throws the RPK down* I don't need a gun to kill you, Seal.
*hugs Seal* but it's nice to see you too.
When I said female russian soldiers, I meant in WWII times, I cannot see that happening now unless you were to look at African nations where the recruiting test is
Are you over 4?
Tick yes ( ) or no ( )
Somalian Airforce - Camels that jump high
Somalian AA Batteries - Giraffes
Somalian Minesweepers - People lucky enough to own sandles
Somalian Armour - The people with the bigger sticks
Somalian Artillery - People with good throwing arms and eyesight
Somalian Commandos - The ones with guns
Somalian Officers - The ones with food
Somalian cooks - Redundant
Somalian Navy - Well-diggers
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Maybe I'll send that to the lost brother's web page, they're doing some arabic and african armies.
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Somalian Airforce - Camels that jump high
Somalian AA Batteries - Giraffes
Somalian Minesweepers - People lucky enough to own sandles
Somalian Armour - The people with the bigger sticks
Somalian Artillery - People with good throwing arms and eyesight
Somalian Commandos - The ones with guns
Somalian Officers - The ones with food
Somalian cooks - Redundant
Somalian Navy - Well-diggers
That is so cool - Laughed for about a minute - 1 problem
Are you over 4?
Tick yes ( ) or no ( )
Suggestes thay can read :-\
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Well the Somalian recruiter fills it in for them.... they don't actually become aware of any of the recruitment phase. It's what's known as indiscriminate enlistment
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Can we bring this back onto the original topic of post please, the request for Female addons?
Thank you.
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Some one should do a Woman in a dress Uniform (as well as a man, Bibmi's only had one Face) that you can choose any female face for it, I can help for Realism on the Dress uniform (considering my Dad is in the Army and I set up his Dress uniform a lot).
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Some one should do a Woman in a dress Uniform (as well as a man, Bibmi's only had one Face) that you can choose any female face for it, I can help for Realism on the Dress uniform (considering my Dad is in the Army and I set up his Dress uniform a lot).
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Does anyone remeber the ASF Terrorist units for the resistance? I was thinking that that kind of theme would be a good direction to head in, but a bit more advanced than a plain retexture job. Stick a couple of grenades on the belt and some binoculars around the neck, a pair of khaki or camo trousers, green/khaki jacket, maybe a rucsack, et voila, one femal resistance unit. But then again, it's a pain modelling people, or so people scream at me whilst smashing their monitors with golf clubs.
**OFF-TOPIC**
And I was watchin a documentary about the Gulf and there was an account of an American woman who was a 5-ton driver and got captured, and a British artilleryman whose wife was in the transit corps. In case anyone cares.
**BACK ON TOPIC**
Okay, so any thoughts on my suggestion? I just wish I had the aptitude to model or texture, but I'm all thumbs with that kind of stuff. I'll happily write someone a mission background though (plug, plug) ;D
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i dont think we even need the ASF terrorist-mismatch style of clothing. i think the women soldiers shud look pretty much the same as the men in terms of clothing (obviously the model shud b different)
and talkin bout profesional armies- i was under the impression that not sending women into the front line is due 2 the psycological effects of fighting rather than capture/torture (pilots are often far more prone to capture than squaddies- thats why pilots have more survival and anti-interrogation training than normal soldiers). and sum people have talked about "what the enemy can do 2 women but not men"- well if its wot im thinkin then it can b done 2 men- its not pleasant and most men wudnt do it but sum do so they mite 2 their captured enemies
blath
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In my experience women are not employed in roles where they are likely to be in the FEBA, in the Brit Army the Infantry and the RAC are the two Corps to which they cannot apply. However there are women in other fighting arms including the RE and RA. It's not impossible that in a mission that someone would make, these people may be involved in combat. I think that since it's realistic it's only right that mission creators should be granted the ability to use women models.
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please excuse my ignorance here but ive been thinkin- if the women faces rnt the rite type 2 put on players etc then y not jus get a woman's face and do it like a man's 1!
surely the game doesnt look and go "ooh that looks a bit 2 effeminate 2 carry a gun, i wont let her play" rite?
basically wot im sayin is cant we jus have a normal face like ud normally use, but lookin like a woman- ie no actual difference besides aesthetics.
surely sum1 else thinks this 2? or have i gone even more mad than b4?
blath
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I've tried that, as have many people proabably, and it doesn't look right. I think the only way to resolve this problem is a model and texture job, unfortunately :(
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Okay but when one is Released I'm doing a GI Jane Mod! but Seriously Some women are kinda buff so you could pretend she's one of thoes girls, but If you watch Starship Troopers (the 2nd crazyest movie I've ever seen 1st is Fight Club) there are tons of Women Fighting the Bugs, and they Die Too (remember Dizzy?). but I think Women soldiers would Be cool, so Some one should do it, but Tastefully Please, I don't Wanna see Pam anderson in here! Just a normal Woman who looks fit for the Battle Field, Its fine If you wanna do that, but I'd rather have a Real Woman soldier! (the Realism thing ;))
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Anyone here watch that one show on the History Channel (I'm a dork) called Basic Training? There must have been 5 or 6 women in the company being filmed, all of whom were in the mandatorty hand-tohand combat class. I wouldn't mess with some of them.
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Hey Buddy you're no Dork, I watch the History Channel all the Time! don't be ashamed! and if you're a dork I'm a Dork! we should start a Club! :)
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exactly, thats what i was saying earlier, we do teach women how to fight we would rather them be in the back were we can protect them. No matter how i say that im gonna sound like a... dick. There are women that haven't been to basic that whip some ass. we all know a few of them.
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I'll make a point to make some cammo textures with my Goth chick addon in the future.
Have any of the new female models been decrypted yet for retexturing? I may be able to do some interesting retexturing with some of those as well.
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Goth Chicks are Cool ;D
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Reading this thread it something occured to me that might be worth mentioning.....
On the project I'm working on we were toying with the idea of female units that join/unjoin from you during the mission.. when it dawned on us..
there are no female voices ??? The best you could do is set a mans voice in the description.ext and make it really high pitched .... :noo:
So.. If you were wanting to play as a female unit you'd have to sound like a man singing falsetto (isn't that the highest?)
Any innovative ideas on how to get past that one striking problem? otherwise making realistic female addons might not be possible.. even with a new model.. we need new voices from BIS in a patch.. or a way to do it ourselves :toocool:
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You make a very good point. I doubt BIS is going to goto the lengths to create fem voices for 2 reasons: 1. has to do with the time when the games are set, during the early 80's women were allowed into even fewer trades than now in all armies except the Isreali armed forces. 2. BIS is prob not going to waste their time unless they make an addon campaign with a female main character.
We could as a group however work on a project to make a few female voice addons. Possibly make a file that would tie in with the existing game voice files so the player can pick the voice from the voices list. I am just starting to learn .cpp and really have no idea how much work would be involved in this.
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yeah dat was wat wanted 2 do (im in da same team wid Kali ;D) but i dont know how 2 do da voices cpp 2 make da option of chosin em :(
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In the Gold Upgrade Pack I got it has a File that says RVoice.pbo, we could Crack that sucker open and see what's in side and what the Config.cpp says, I Imagine it's a bunch of sound files with a config.cpp, I'll pop it open this weekend, and I'll tell ya'llz HooAh?
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great ;) tel us wat u have der ;D
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i depeboed da voices file nd here r da results
1) whoever records da voice (not me of course) wil have 2 record 261 (if im not wrong in my count :)) voices
2) we cant open da config file cuz its a bin file nd i dont have a viewer 4 dat >:(
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[edit]3) BIS saved deir files in wss i donno know were we can save in wss or if it support oder file types
help needed[/edit]
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OFP Manager can open .bin files and convert them to .cpp files.
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tanks Wires ;)
get beer on me :cheers:
*looks around
but.. WTF is da OFP Manager nd were can i D/L it ? :)
BTW i just got TUT 4 decodin/encodin wss files so dat prob is solved ;D
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To heck with the Lost Prophets, there's nothing fake about the sound of the progress here. As it's just some words on the internet and therefore silent. But you get the idea. ::)
Now we just have to find a few women to record 261 separate phrases (was it 261?) each. But please hurry, for Shady's sake, the high-pitched squealing is getting on my nerves... but dammit, can we add more "pain" noises? I noticed the female models sound suspiciously like men when they take a few rounds.
Nice work LCD on cracking that file!
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tanks shady ;D
but i stil have a prob - were do i find dis ofp manager ?
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If you wait one more day OFPEC will open and you will be able do download it from there.
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tanks KTtotE now we need som1 (woman preferbly ;) ;D) 2 record da voices ;D
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here is how we solve our problem. If anyone is getting married out their tell your bride to be that if she does not record these 261 files you will cancel the marriage. ;D
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k i already have solved da config probs - tanks wires :thumbsup: ;D :toocool:
but we stil wid da first prob
is dere som1 dat is marin soon ? :beat: :booty: :cheers: :joystick:
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u think the woman's gonna wanna marry u THAT much? u gotta watch urself with that ploy otherwise u mite b lookin 4 a new woman :-[ i'm sure she'd be able 2 find another bloke with slightly smaller demands ;)
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I'd volunteer my ex if she wasn't my ex, since she was drunk once and said she's do anything for me.... but i can't now, dammit. I could get her shout expletives and record them from the safety of an armoured car though... hmmm....
Anybody posted a request on the whassitcalled voice acting type thread yet?
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well I am looking for fem voices for a campaign my team mates and I are createing. We would release the stuff for others to use later. We are also looking for peeps to do the coding and such so we can add the voices if possible.
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we r stil lookin 4 female voices ;D 4 our campaign nd 4 dis addon we r goin 2 make ;)
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Are there any girls on the Forum? or Really Good Actors? maybe, we could trick some one and tell them we need them to record their voice for a song, one of thoes girls who wants to be Brittny Spears. ;D isnt there a voice and sound section of the Forum?
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donno - u mean somthin like dis ???
hey babe we want u 2 record a song now PLZ say - "Ammo low" ? :-\ :-*
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Exactly! but a little more Feeling. LOL :D
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LMAO ;) ;D :booty: :beat: :cheers:
we need 2 try dat - ny1 who wanna record dis PLZ contact kali - cuz im goin on vic now ;D :afro: :toocool:
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Hey guys.. I'm studying to be a recording engineer.. and have all sorts of digital recording tools and sh!t you wouldn't believe ;)
So anyways.. this whole female voice thing is something on my agenda .. I might not even have to have an actual female to do these voices , I could do them all digitally..
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Digitally? Do you have software that emulates voices?
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We got everything you would believe and then some.. LOL ;D
Thats what they get with all the bloody tuition and lab fees we pay... I'm learning some really nice programs for digitally recording/editing... the software setup runs something like $5,000 (U.S.) for each system, and the book of plug ins is about 5 or 600 pages long...
I know you can make vocals that sound like absolute crap turn into something amazing through all the little tricks and gadgets available. Ever hear a band on CD and then go see them live and they sound horrible? All those neat software programs make em sound decent...
anyways.. I digress... my point being that I can either:
A) try some of the software that emulates a voice, then edit the sound wave digitally.
B) Record a higher pitched male voice, and edit it to sound female
C)Extract the original sounds from OFP and edit them to sound more feminine
D)Actually find a female willing to record this
I think C would be the easiest,followed by A and B
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Why Didn't I think of That (Being a Musician)! Great Idea, send me a PM if you want any help!
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Well I just got permission today from the chap who did the origional Lara Croft skin for CS to use it. So I can release Lara. I'm stiil waiting for a few more Emails to come in.
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I thought Lara Croft had a Green Shirt. But I never saw the Movie, I just Played the Game.
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In the movie she wore white and black.
I have a videogame version of the skin, a blueish green.
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Cool, is she gonna be a fighter or a civi? what weapins will she have?
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Resistance, currently incompatable with resistance pistols. I am just adding origional/official BIS weapons to avoid complications. Other Fem Fatales will have a different variety of weapons and abilities. I have to work on some of the config files. I will give Lara the hide corpse and medic abilities when I can fig out how to properly.
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Right On! :D
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On the subject of voices. What sort of file/sampling quality would be needed? are we talking pc mics or a full recording setup?
Kaliyuga: your idea certainly has merit it's mazing what you can do (heck just read a copy of sound on sound and see the shear ammount of post recording/production work that goes into every cd released and of course not one of the spice girls can sing properly they all depend heavily on the antares autotune).
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I think it would be better to use a PC mic to record the voices, so it sounds kinda like a Radio. ;)
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Well... I'd want to record the best possible one and then add any effects later.. you can compress (which is done to all vocals), and add any other effects you want then ..
I'm using ProTools, and I've been doing some research the last few days into plug ins...
I found the one I think I'll need to use , just have to download the demo version and take it to school (since Protools is primarily a Mac program) where I have the proper equipment to make use of it.
I had a great idea in class yesterday also... we had to record a choir of 35 10-12 year old girls that were singing patriotic songs, that were going to be played today at some sort of tribute. The songs they were singing to were designed for adult voices and in a different key. So, in the studio we have a nice piece of equipment called a harmonizer, and it can take any peice of audio and take it up a few keys, making it sound higher pitched. We put the songs through that , and made the background vocals sound like the chipmunks or something ;D So I bet that I could put some vocal stuff through that.. make it a higher key, add some effects, and well... see what I get.. LOL ;D
I'll keep you all up to date.. and as far as the specifics of adding the voices to the game, file format, etc.. you'll have to ask LCD when he gets back from vacation. I'm pretty sure that he's got that one just about figured out. Adding the voice to the game is what I think he had in mind too.. so you can choose it like you can your face or glasses under the options
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well when I added music files to the game they were 128kbs, constant bit rate stereo. Voices I think are supposed to be the same except mono so you can get directional sound. Radio messages should be lower kbs not sure though, what ever AM radio quality is. 8bit mono.
Update:
Egads! I am sorry for those who ran into the webpage unavailable due to bandwidth thing while trying to see the pics for the Amazons Addon pack #1. Some of the pics are available in this thread.
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http://ofp.gamezone.cz/ has my Amazons Addon pack available for download.
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it have 2 b wss file i have a prog dat do it but i stil didnty look @ at very good ;D b back from my vic nd have my equip available in les dan 24 hours nd wil tel u exactly wat u need 2 add voices 2 em
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