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OFPEC The Editing Center => General Announcements => Topic started by: Sui on 10 Nov 2005, 01:23:37
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As of this week we are implementing a ranking system on our forums. This system will be based on the following criteria:
5 stars - Staff
4 Stars - OFPEC Patrons
3 Stars - Honoured Contributors
2 Stars - Contributing members
1 Star - Members
The status of Patron is awarded to those who assist OFPEC financially (ie. make a donation (http://www.ofpec.com/donate.php) of over 25 Euro or equivalent). The high number of stars for this is to show our gratitude, as though money is not our main concern, the site doesn't pay for itself ;)
Donations (http://www.ofpec.com/donate.php) below 25 Euros are still very welcome of course...
Honoured Contributors are those who have submitted several quality resources (be that missions, addons or scripts/tutorials etc.). It can also be awarded to members who are particularly helpful on the forums. Here (http://www.armaeditingcenter.com/forum/index.php?topic=7159) is a great place to start for how to make contributions to our great community.
The status of contributing member is awarded to those who have submitted a quality resource to the site, or answer questions and help others on our forums.
Awards will be made based on staff member recommendations. They are made at our discretion, and are not open to debate.
We will be updating ranks of contributing members in the coming weeks. The process involves us individually editing users accounts, so may take a while. So if you haven't got your stars yet, don't panic ;)
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Good idea... Perhaps... I dunno, but I've always felt that OFPEC Forums are so great because there is no difference between a newly regged noob and an old bugger. Ah, what the heck.
:beat: *Gets Shot* :beat:
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Nice idea to rise activity
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Hmmm, from my point of view this is not so good idea. As dmkatra says, this could-will cause a segregation amoung the members.
If you need money (who doesen't ;D) for the maintainance or whatever, just say so, I'm sure some people will gladly donate. Also do not lure the memebers with those stars in attempt to somehow 'revive' the site, this will do no good; I'm now expecting a flood of all kind of 'trivial stuff' from younger members, jockeing for those stars.
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If you need money (who doesen't ) for the maintainance or whatever, just say so, I'm sure some people will gladly donate.
Don't worry, we will. ;D (And we know from past experience that people do.)
I'm now expecting a flood of all kind of 'trivial stuff' from younger members, jockeing for those stars.
It is a concern. However, this system is based on quality, not quantity. Trivial stuff gets you nothing other than a clip round the ear from a moderator.
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It is a concern. However, this system is based on quality, not quantity.
The positive thinking as it is, it will happen quite oposite; the quantity, not quality. And such positive thinking can-will not turn out the people, and can-will not stop the predicted incoming flood. And this will not be anoying just for the moderators, but for the other members also. And what you'll do then? Use a ban? Another negative aspect of this idea ...
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We now have the strongest moderating team we've had for some years. If there is a flood of bad people and bad posts, we have the resources to deal with it.
What we are hoping, of course, is that there will be a flood of good things.
Which will it be? Or will there be no flood at all? Nobody knows....
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What we are hoping ...
Yea, you just do that.
Have I deserved my star yet? ;D
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"Bribing" members to write tutes and help in the forum is not a good idea. Everyone do this in their free time, and that is what makes it so good. We don't need any kind of 'elitism' in the world, much less in OFPEC. Help is good, yes, but help should come from your heart (wow, that sounded gay...) and not because you want another star.
And in these cases there are always people feeling left out or forgotten. People get angry because of this. And it's not really your fault, but you always forget somebody.
Maybe it's not my concern, as I am hardly active no more. But you might as well go ahead and turn on post count as well.
Damn, I sound like an old bugger. I'll go sit down and play bingo with the other old people now.
:beat: *Gets Old* :beat:
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It's not bribing and it's not a sneaky way to make more cash flow. All it is, is a way to show our appreciation to the people who've contributed to OFPEC and the community.
We used to have the forum build-in feature of post count on, which ranked members by the amount of the posts they made. This was disabled because of two reasons. One being the fear of some people spamming for a higher post count, the other being the fact that every OFPEC member is equal.
The above questions are not raised in the way we're handing out the stars. You won't get another star even if you made 5000 posts. Everyone is still equally treated.
And I don't think we will have a problem members submitting spam or trivial material. A lame submission is easy to delete with a press of a button. Moderating the boards have never been this easy - people have obviously learned to behave themselves in the course of time.
Anyway, you can only have two opinions on the new star system. Either it's good or it's bad. We thought it would be good to show our appreciation and since we can't send out t-shirts or GOTY editions, this is the only best way we could think of.
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Yeah, if people where that worried about getting more stars they would have joined the team ages ago! ;)
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Indeed, getting a star is not based on how many times you post.
The staff decide based on how helpfull someone has been over however long, helping others in a constructive and meaningfull way.
And those members that have taken the time to write a good resource or mission also get noticed.
Posting answers willy nilly that don't help gets noticed as well as posting in a constructive manner.
Equally submitting a faulty mission or resource will probably not attract any stars.
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Planck
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In my humble opinion it is very good that post count is not visible on the forums. In some other forums I can sense that there are people who post only to get their post count up. Post count does not reflect anything useful. How good a member is for a community is not in any way related to post count. So keep it hiding, thank you. The star system is different from post count because OFPEC staff considers who really deserves a star and who doesn't. That doesn't mean that you are not a good community member if you don't get more stars. The staff just hasn't seen enough of you and your good will yet.
:)
In general, I think that members who have actually given something useful back to the community, should be thanked somehow and stars are an appropriate way to do that imho. It may not be completely fair, but hey that's life for you.
Having a positive and friendly attitude in the forums has definitely a huge effect in who deserves a star and who doesn't.
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yes indeed.
besides which, who in the ofpec 'family' is seriously going to be concerned with how many stars they have when they participate in the forums? use of ofpec is for editing in flashpoint, not as some strutting ground for over-inflated egos - we moderators see to that ;)
the way i see the system working is that the staff, being knowledgable about flashpoint, recognise when a member is being both knowledgeable and genuinely helpful, not simply an avid poster. the staff then flag that member up with an extra star or two to let everyone else see they are an example, a trusted source.
frankly i think that's what everyone should be aiming for, regardless of whether there's a bunch of stars in it or not.
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Post counting supports elitism, as you all know. In many ways, so does this new star system.
I'm not against thanking contributors to OFPEC. They are absolutely brilliant, and I can only regret that I was a total idiot and didn't contribute as much and/or as good as I could've most of my active OFPEC time. I know what I've done for OFPEC, and what OFPEC has done for me. I don't need stars to say that to me. I think this goes for many members of OFPEC, I just took myself as an example.
Another example is macca. He's a great chum. He's done loads of stuff for OFPEC. Now, I know that he's a moderator now so he'd have five (five extra flashy stars, mind you ;D) stars anyhow, but let's say this system was introduced before he went all flashy. You noticed that he was (and is) liked. People even started to ask questions where the bloody hell he was when he went on vacation for crying out loud! Now, I'm not macca, but I think he felt (and still feels) that he was liked and felt responsible for all his children in the big OFP editing playground. He doesn't need stars to verify that.
The internet is a dictatorship, no doubt about it. It's just part of it's design. But I've always thought of this place as one of the few webpages where it at least felt like you were part of some kind of, well, not democracy, but something not entirely ruled by the administrators and moderators. In my active days (probably is now too), there was such a good connection between the members. Again, I can only regret that I was such an idiot that didn't do my share. Members were treated all alike. Everyone had one star (one star, one vision, one dream; to become the greatest OFP scripter of all time ;D) and were all part of one OFPEC. Now new members will start to feel, well, not left out, but definately not as welcomed as they only have one star while everyone else in the thread has 2, 3 or even 4. "Spamming" tutes or replies is just a minor drawback. After all, the warmth and spirit of this website is far more valuable than a few semi-crappy tutes/missions/replies/etc.
This new star-system only has drawbacks as far as I can see. It supports elitism. I know it sounds exaggerated. After all, it's only a little detail. But it's those details that make OFPEC better than everyone else. I'd like to see my stars removed as I don't support this change at all.
:beat: *Gets Shot* :beat:
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The star system is different from post count because OFPEC staff considers who really deserves a star and who doesn't.
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Are we back in school, or what!? This is the only valid response on this quote I can do right now, because my brains has freezed in shock, when I read this 'jewel'.
That doesn't mean that you are not a good community member if you don't get more stars.
Then what it means? I must be really retarded, not understanding this new sistem of 'casts'.
An old Greek mathematician Archimed once apparently said: "Give the stick long enough, and I will move the world." But man, there's no stick long enough (not argument valid enough) to shook this admin off, when it tooks its position (make a decision).
@dmakatra
I could never say this better myself. You have my deepest respect.
And if I haven't earned my star now, then I never will ...
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Now now karantan, with one breath you condemn the idea and with the next you wonder where your star is. ;D
As has been stated, the stars are awarded according to staff recommendations, and it takes time to work through 13,000 odd members to see which ones merit an extra star......be patient.
Planck
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Now, now Planck, this is a bad joke. If you're jokin' at all ...
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Aren't we making a mountain out of a mole-hill here? All this talk about elitism and caste-systems sounds like we're setting up a goverment, not a web site ::)
I personally have no problem with this new idea. If it will encourage more people to help out and submit more rescources, then I'm all for it. Let's see how this works out before we start condemning it.
-Pilot
Ok admins, I supported you, now where's my third star? ;D
*slap*
Note: before any of you take that seriously, it was a joke...maybe a lame joke, but a joke, nevertheless.
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All I can ask karantan is that you give it a chance to see how it works, don't condemn something out of hand like that, even if you don't agree with it.
Give it a chance.........sorry for the bad joke.
Planck
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@karantan
Firstly,
The staff just hasn't seen enough of you and your good will yet.
secondly,
As has been stated, the stars are awarded according to staff recommendations, and it takes time to work through 13,000 odd members to see which ones merit an extra star......be patient.
...and finally the most important part of my previous post:
Having a positive and friendly attitude in the forums has definitely a huge effect in who deserves a star and who doesn't.
:)
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@ Baddo
Firstly, I really and apsolutely can't and don't see any valid point in your poster above e.g. what do you wan't to tell-explain me; I see just some patronising blah blah from the admin member.
Secondly, I also can see, that you (the admin) just don't get it; you (the admin) constantly repeating yourself like broken gramophon, not seeing-accepting, that this time some other(s) can-may-could have more right than you (the admin) regarding this matter; you (the admin) just don't want e.g. are not able to admit, that this time you (the admin) are maybe maked a mistake with this decision. And obviously you (the admin) are unable to see-understand, that I don't give a jack shit about those stars. Please, read dmakatra's posts carefully, and you (the admin) might understand, where the problem(s) is-are lying.
And finally ... Bah, it's totally not worthed.
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Ok,
Just drawing a large bold line here.
We know that dmakatra and karantan are not happy with the star system and it is duly noted in my notebook. ;D
However more opinions are welcome.
Planck
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Armsty, I respect your opinion but don't really agree with you here mate...
It's not a bribe, as you get your star after you do the work. ;)
It's most definitely a reward... it's our (very small) way of showing our appreciation to the people who contribute to OFPEC.
Don't get me wrong... all members are still equal. There's no 'secret members area'. There's no forum that only patrons have access to. OFPEC shares all it's resources with all of it's users, whether they have five stars or no stars.
Anyway, I just thought it was time to give something back to the members that contribute. It is merely cosmetic, as I've pointed out it, it doesn't give you any special priviledges.
Karantan, simmer down. Right now.
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In spite of what most people are saying, Awesome idea! This is far superior to just a post count, as this actually reduces spam instead of encouraging it!
However you may want to bluntly say somewhere your stars don't go up with your posts.
I've seen too many sites that encourage spam by giving levels by only making extra posts.
This, in my opinion is one of the most mature forums I've ever seen. I can recall only one major incident and a few minor ones. So I think with the current mature audience we have, we can handle a few stars. If not, it can always go away.
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I personally think its a great idea. Its gives us something to aim for, and if the way to get it is posting resources and helping people out on the forums, hopefully thats what people will do.
There would be no using the stars against new guys as that person would have to be someone who wouldn't do that the earn the star in the first place (If you understand what i'm bantering on about). ;)
EDIT: Just realsied I have an extra star ;D
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I don't like that reform too much either, here is why.
I cherished the idea of having no difference between old-timers and new-comers. It enhanced the "by the community, for the community" spirit, as there was no hierarchy at all between the members.
Now this star-ranking system makes me greedy (I'm only speaking for myself, here :beat:). I fear behind every contribution I'll make in the future, there'll loom the interested question : "will that get me another star ?". Jealousy might also ooze in : "hey, why does that guy have more stars than I have ? It's unfair !". As you can see, I'm a real bostord. ;D
This is no big deal, as this site still is an all-time favourite, and its present evolution is really unlikely to change that : moderators are great, people always helpful, etc. Besides, scanning those 13,000 + members must have been quite a chore. :)
I guess you can never please everyone ::). Keep up the excellent work then !
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I think this idea and the intention wich led to it are good. To gain stars you've to submit quality resources or stuffs and this would improve OFPEC contents .
Dealing with eventual spammers is a fake problem (or at least a very minor one): this system doesn't encourage spamming, simply because spamming is useless.
Moreover who join OFPEC usually cames with good and nobile intentions: to learn how to handle a beast called OFP (not how to play it, it's different). I think we must take this in mind while making our considerations about this new ranking system: this is not the BIS Forum (just to make an example ;) ), and generally OFPEC members are more mature than the ones you can find elsewhere.
Jealously, vainglory or elitism never existed (afaik) here: i saw noobs answering questions or resolving problems posted by some of the oldest members, but i never saw an oldest member shitting a noob for his unexperience.
By the communty for the community is not only a motto, it's the OFPEC spirit and i dont really think it could be killed by a couple of stars.
In the end I was proud to be part (even if a very little one) of all this before the coming of this news and I will continue to be so, stars or not stars.
I sincerely hope i explained my point of view in clear way.
Klavan
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Well i don't mind this new ranking system! I am gratefull to the Ofpec members that helped me with mission editing and scripting issues, and would gladly see some extra stars in their avatars! My only worrie with this system is that some members or future members would become more arrogant, i hate that! Just because some one is a better mission editor or scripter that i am, surely there are things i can do better or just as good.
So because you earned an extra star (One more star than i ever will) don't let it rise to your heads ladyes and gentleman.
One of the most appealling things about Ofpec is the friendly atmosphere without arrogance.
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My only worrie with this system is that some members or future members would become more arrogant
Arrogance = less stars ;D ;)
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One of the most appealling things about Ofpec is the friendly atmosphere without arrogance.
Wise words my younge padawan...heh
anways my 2 cent. i think its a good idea, if someone see's that someone has more stars than them it will jst make them work harder, act better, be nicer etc, so this will help the fourms be a Nice place to be. there u go.
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:caugh: star :caugh:
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keep up the good work! ;D ;)
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Fair enough. I still don't like the system (and, as I said, want my stars removed please) but I've already said my thoughts.
:beat: *Gets Shot* :beat:
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Ok then; I'll go now to make a two line script of pissing soldier, and then submmit it to earn my star ...
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Whilst I always appreciated the 'equality' of the OFPEC forums, some members always ARE going to be more prominent and more well known. It was the case in the past (when I was an active member), and it's probably still the case now. The new star system is could well turn out to be a case of simply 'visually' recognising this.
This is just a cosmetic change, but the Admins should bear in mind that making the whole site bright Pink and Purple would also 'just' be a cosmetic change (And that would be a Very Bad Thing :P ). Cosmetic changes can be very powerful...
It is impossible to predict accurately what effect this will have. It's not based on post counts, but purely on merit, which is a good thing. However:
1. It's going to be something else that Moderators have to do, increasing their workload.
2. It could potentially lead to some kind of elitism (but honestly, only to the point where the answers of those with higher stars are more respected - Which was the case in the past anyway, to some extent).
I'm fairly neutral at the moment. We'll see what happens.
-PsyW
::EDIT:: - Sorry about the gibberish, if you read through it a few times it should start to make sense. Maybe ::)
I've corrected some of it.
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I'll go now to make a two line script of pissing soldier, and then submmit it to earn my star
Please do. I don't think we have that in the scripts archives yet. Would be a very welcome addition in the cameras and cutscenes section.
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Actually we do. Search for Nature's Call. ;D
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It wasn't be a spam or whaterver?
But I thouth ... great, then I'll also make a scrip of a soldier eating a grass, this will also be nice effect, you know, out of rations and stuff ... but only for my third star of course.
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Don't bother karantan, it has been made already:
Nature's Call (http://www.ofpec.com/editors/resource_view.php?id=566)
:D
Remember to smile while you "dehydrate".
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But I thouth ... great, then I'll also make a scrip of a soldier eating a grass, this will also be nice effect, you know, out of rations and stuff ... but only for my third star of course.
You have great ideas man, keep them coming!
:)
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Only for my fouth star, man ;D....
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But I thouth ... great, then I'll also make a scrip of a soldier eating a grass, this will also be nice effect, you know, out of rations and stuff ... but only for my third star of course.
Yeah, or maybe the soldier just likes the way that the Nogovan grass tastes. (Does that get me a star? No? Ok. ;))
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Hey sup everyone,
Throwing some thoughts in...
-if I'm new and post, I'd be happy to have a large starred person answer cause they know what they are talking about.
-new people have a sort of "image" to shoot for
-bribery for more uselful editorial, addon, and mission material sounds like a good bribe to me. Good for the community to see more of that.
-I don't think elitism will be here in our OFPEC forums. Our moderators can easily jump in and our staff is all full of humble people who wouldn't turn into idiots. So no worries eh?
-STOP the jabs, jokes, and funnies about getting a new star for something. It is getting really old and irritating...
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So yea, thats wassup, back to you CNN...
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Wise words my younge padawan...heh
Thank you my master, "you know this to be true" :P ::) :-X
-new people have a sort of "image" to shoot for
Yes that's true but some people will never be cabable, and yes i speak for my self to.
-bribery for more uselful editorial, addon, and mission material sounds like a good bribe to me. Good for the community to see more of that.
Indeed, but same as above.
I suggest if you want to have a ranking system you judge it by people's will to help, and then give the Ofpec donaters an extra star.
Sorry if above doesn't make sence, but it's getting late and i am getting drunk.
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OFPEC shares all it's resources with all of it's users, whether they have five stars or no stars.
I'm hoping the no stars thing is simply a slip up in ur speach, Sui. As every new member starts with 1 star, I'm gonna hope you didn't mean you'd start taking them away, too.
Which kind of brings up a good point. Lets say you do some good stuff and have 3 stars. If you do something dumb, will they get taken away?
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Which kind of brings up a good point. Lets say you do some good stuff and have 3 stars. If you do something dumb, will they get taken away?
It will probably only means, that you're dumb (that makes two of us ;)), nothing more. But lately I'm more and more convinced, that everything here is possible, mate, everything ...
-STOP the jabs, jokes and funnies about getting a new star for something. it is getting really old and irritating...
It's easy for you to say, Guilty Roach, you already have all stars in your pocket!
Yes, this was a JAB, JOKE and FUNNIE. I just can't help myself; you people constantly pulling me for my tongue ...
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good idea im not against it but im not with it mixed opinions i guess
now people just want the starts and will do all sorts to try and get them i suppose it helps ofpec in ways but will start to clutter up the editors depot again with scripts put together within a few minutes which havent had much testing
but the good thing with the stars is that ... erm ... i dunno you can tell who is staff and who isnt maybe ???
i need help cant think of good reasons
its a cool idea though
the only wories is it may cuase spam and other stuff or people just going on about
"I want more stars so i posted a script and i aint got no more stars yet"
things like that
lets just wait and see
*kicks back with a nice cold beer and gets shouted at by mum for under age drinking*
;D
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but will start to clutter up the editors depot again with scripts put together within a few minutes which havent had much testing
Couldn't happen. All submissions to the Editors Depot are checked by Ed Depot staff. If they do not meet the required standard then they are not accepted. This has always been the case and will not change. It is theoretically possible that the Pending list will get cluttered up with rubbish, but the Ed Depot itself will not.
In any event scripts should be posted on the Editing/Scripting Beta Testing board BEFORE submission to the Ed Depot.
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But karatan, don't you get a little tired of the jokes? Its flogging an olde hampster it is. ;D
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Here is my sensible British opinion on all of this. ;D
Personally I think the idea is good, it shows all of the people who make a difference to the big Ofpec machine. I myself, however am human and deep inside I get a little 'Miffed' that someone like myself who has been around for a good few years and has answered any questions I have tried to answer and has always been there for Ofpec, is on the same level to a person who joined yesterday. If I was to do do my own star system, I would have a person who has just joined to have 1 star and then after maybe 1 year to have it upgraded to 2. Just my opinion folks.
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Hmmmmmm.......we are still in the process of going through the member list, you have to be patient.
We probably haven't got through them all yet........13,000 + members. ::)
Planck
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I'm hoping the no stars thing is simply a slip up in ur speach, Sui. As every new member starts with 1 star, I'm gonna hope you didn't mean you'd start taking them away, too.
An unregistered member will have no stars, but still be able to download from us ;)
And no, we won't be taking stars away once awarded (Unless of course you don't want them).
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But karatan, don't you get a little tired of the jokes?
Not really GRK, because for me a (very bad) 'joke' begins with a very first post here.
EDIT: And I asking the admin, that do not give or add me any stars, not now, not ever. Thank you.
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An unregistered member will have no stars, but still be able to download from us ;)
sounds like my first year or so at OFPEC. here, but not "here".
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Or like my first two two years, where I didn't really understand wtf the forum was for, so didn't bother with the medleing registering. And then it clicked ;D
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karatan, have you ever heard the old saying "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"?
honestly, criticism is good whether negative or positive, but you take it way too far. You are proving yourself to be the kind of person that this [VERY] small detail is supposedly going to bring.
I see no problem in rewarding those who genuinely help people, and thats not because i have my 2 stars. in fact, i thought it was a mistake (fancy that ::)) i can tell you this for sure:
if i was new to the community, and asked a question on the forums, i would be happy to know who was giving me an answer, someone who knows what they're talking about, or someone who just thinks they know.
and you know what else? these stars truly make me feel no different. if i had no stars i would be just as happy.
you say that the admins sound like broken records, but i only see you mumbling the same things over and over again.
dmakatra has the same belief as you, as do a few others, but i have no problem with them, because they POLITELY stated their feelings and the subject, while RESPECTING those of others. perhaps you should try to learn a little from them about behaving yourself
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Yeah... I think this issue is pretty much closed mate ;)
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