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Addons & Mods Depot => OFP - Addons & Mods Beta Testing => Topic started by: Dubieman on 12 Aug 2004, 16:33:29
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Hey all,
I was wonderin to myself why the HK is named HK? That's the gun manufacturar right? Heckler & Koch...
So why don't we just have MP5S?
And is the HK an actual weapon apart from the name? I've never seen a fully silenced barrel conversion like that. Every silenced weapon I've seen has a small barrel thing coming off the muzzle/barrel. So to be accurate, shouldn't the HK be a MP5 with a reg silender coming off it making it longer?
I'll stop rambling... :P ::) :)
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http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/english/behoerden/02_submachineguns/02_03_index.html
Bottom of the page.
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Lol wow,
so I guess it is a real weapon. I guess its named HK for editing ease. So we don't have to respell HKRG4 or more....
BTW, I liked the suitcase gun. ;) ;D
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Negative, the weapon called the HK is an HK MP5SD6 (Considered the most silent gun in the world, b/c its operator can not use it.) If oyu want to get techincal like you are, why don't you complain that the M16 isnt an M16, it is an M16A2..... there are 10000 things you could complain about, its just what they called it.
-=Kilo=-
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(Considered the most silent gun in the world, b/c its operator can not use it.)
Just curious what you mean by that comment? I've never heard of any probs with MP5's , but I'm no firearms expert..
What's awesome is that you can get an MP5 here legally ;D
*Starts saving money*
:cheers:
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Jeez dude lighten up, I'm just wonderin... :)
Its just I've never seen a fully converted gun like that with the silencer as an intergral part of the gun.
And the naming thing, I was talkin bout using it in like:
this addweapon "HK"
was there so we don't have to go:
this addweapon "HKMP5SD6"
(Considered the most silent gun in the world, b/c its operator can not use it.)
What does that mean? A gun's no good if it can't be used... :D
What's awesome is that you can get an MP5 here legally
*Starts saving money*
What are you planning to do with that gun....?
:hmm: :D
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i haven't heard of any probs with it, only prob i had is safety is to easy to switch.
bootneckofficer
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there's loads of fully silenced weapons where you can't remove the silencer. the new MP10SD (same as mp5 but fires 10mm rounds). there's an old ww2 special forces weapon. can't remember what its called but it's in H&D2. some ww2 pistols were fully silenced like the OSS one in medal of honour. there are plenty of fully silenced weapons around. just ask US SOCOM (if you can)
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the weldrod pistol
bootneckofficer
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Is this the WW2 weapon? The sten Mk2-s
http://www.relics.org.uk/p0133.jpg
(The silencer is built on, if anyone thinks its just a normal attachment silencer)
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Nice... quite similar to the one of "Return to castle Wolfenstein"
LOL ;D
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that gun over heats TOO much
LOL!!! ;D
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This gun was originally called the "HK54" by its manufacturer
(Heckler & Koch). It's first major purchaser was the West
German Bundesgrenzschutz (Paramilitary Border Police)
who called it the "MP5" to fit with their system of cataloguing
weapons in their armoury. The MP5 name became so popular that
eventually Heckler & Koch followed the trend and renamed the
gun "MP5" in their product catalogues. So strictly it's not
right to call it an "HK". It has many popular names. The
British Army nickname for it, for example, is a "Hockler".
The gun in the link is indeed a Sten Mk II silenced machine carbine.
Unfortunately the sten is not a particularly good gun. It had
many derogatory names during the war; ""StenCH gun", for example
or "Tuppeny Woolworths gun". Its various iniquities included,
mags that either would not fit or which would fall out, a fore
end that would incinerate the firers hand if not careful,
ammo feed problems if the magazine was held while firing,
mag springs that would jam if fully loaded with 32 rounds
and so on...
Also in the "Hidden and Dangerous" game is featured the "de Lisle
Commando Carbine" ; essentially a Lee Enfield rifle rebarreled
to fire .45" ACP rounds through a fixed silencer. It was a
remarkable weapon by the standards of its time. It was silent
at 30 yards and could kill at 400 yards!
Since the MP5 fires from a closed bolt this raises questions about
the possibility of "cook off" where the bore heats up sufficiently
to cause rounds to detonate prematurely. In practise, however,
with the MP5 this is impossible to achieve under any remotely
likely set of circumstances.
The problem with the SD variants of the MP5 is that some regard
them as underpowered. This may well be so but it does not appear
to overly concern such elite military units as the US navy SEALS,
British SBS or the French Foreign Legion CRAPS who all include
this weapon in their inventories.
The best model representation of the MP5 I have seen in a game so
far is in the excellent "Rainbow Six 3" series.
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The problem with the SD variants of the MP5 is that some regard
them as underpowered. This may well be so but it does not appear
to overly concern such elite military units as the US navy SEALS,
British SBS or the French Foreign Legion CRAPS who all include
this weapon in their inventories.
Being "underpowered" is a bit of an advantage in the way the SBS and SAS use them. I'm 95% sure that the SAS and SBS only use them for counter terrorism duties. So when they end up with a hostage situation theres no chance of rounds going through an enemy and hitting a hostage.
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True, but it's questionable whether "overpenetration" is an
important issue for SAS CRT teams. At Princes Gate in 1980
[Iranian Embassy assault], unsilenced MP5s were used and
at least one of the "hostage takers" was shot over 80 times!
That does not appear to offer much evidence of any measured
application of deadly force - but this is drifting more off topic,
sorry...
In support of the MP5 SD variants they are one of the quietest
such weapons available since they are designed from scratch to
be so - they are not just an ordinary MP 5 with a silencer stuck
on the end. The BIS model in OFP I think models the capabilities
of this weapon quite well (apart from the range - you can shoot
too far with effect with it). As such it's a great item of kit for an
OFP "Black Op" [ugh, ridiculous name] mission.
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Some nice info here but this was started in august and should've been dead already... ::)