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Addons & Mods Depot => OFP - Addons & Mods Beta Testing => Topic started by: Gunship on 16 Sep 2002, 20:18:53
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Hi
Fliper released the M4A1 pack update for RES!
Download it on http://www.ofp-zone.de (http://www.ofp-zone.de)
Changes from 2.0 are:
- fixed: M203 equipped rifles had no shadow
- fixed: muzzle flash was visible on shadow
- changed: muzzle flash of suppressed versions is now a lot smaller
- added: a basic M4A1 in desert camo ("FLPM4A1Desert", standard ammo) - for testing purpouses!
(http://ofp-zone.gamesurf.tiscali.de/pics/DesertM4A1.jpg)
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but what soldier is in the pic?
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I believe that soldier is from SelectThis' old US Rangers addon. An oldie, but a goodie. ;D
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Its OK, but other than the desert one theres really not much new in it that I could see.
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Any chance of seeing a BHD style M16A2 carbine / Car-15 ?
http://www.pbase.com/evo_bubba/delta_m4 ;D ;D ;D
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I'm Diggin' the New M4 with Desert cammo but have you thought about putting a TacLight on the Gun, doesn't have to work but, I heard there is a way.
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Just to make one thing clear,
in Black Hawk Down Delta Force don't just use the M16 Carbines and Car 15s, they used a WIDE range of Colt made Carbines.
XM-177E1
XM-177E2
Car 15
M16A2 Carbine
and the M4A1!!!!
2 or 3 Delta Force may had been carrying the M4A1, I think "Hoot" uses one. Remember the M4A1 Carbine was released in 1993.
And one other thing, get Black Hawk Down on DVD it is ******* amazing!
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Even Better, Read the Book By Mark Bowden ;) It's one of the best Books on Warfare that is unclassified! but Watch the Movie then Read the book they help each other make sence!
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The Definative Resource on the variants of the SPECOPS M4...
http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/album18
I was really impressed with the M4 Special Purpose/Marksman Rifle... I've read that it has made 600m headshots in Afghanistan. The Armalite AR-10 SPR has a 7.62NATO version...
And American Firearms produces an AR-15 modified to accept .50AE rounds, ten to a mag! Known as the AR-50AE, it has nearly the same knockdown punch as a .50 BMG!
A silencer makes it perfect for long range sentry removal...
see it here:http://www.cornerstone-computing.com/scott/weapons/w_ar50ae.html
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Remember - the M4A1 is a CAR15 with a few modifications. The civvie CAR15 was used in Vietnam "unofficially" and finally in '93 the Army adopted it as a standard weapon (not standard issue though) with some modifications, then known as the M4. You can buy CAR15's on the open market.
One of the members of the Gordon/Shughart team (RIP guys :'() carried an M14 rifle fitted with a custom scope (dunno if it was an M21 or just a scoped -14...in the book they said M14), while the other carried a suppressed M4A1. The suppressor cut down on recoil, making it a little more accurate.
The XM177 family is better known as the Colt Commando. This originally was a civillian made rifle too.
The M16A2 is the full-sized rifle carried by regular infantry, not a carbine. Delta doesn't use it often, if ever.
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I'd Imagine Delta uses what ever weapon is best for their mission, if it a Recon Deep in Enemy territory they might use an AK47 or a suppresed M4 or MP5, if it's an assault that may require some Sniping then they would use an M21 or a PSG1. The Delta Boys get their weapons Custom made, based on what they specialize in or are comfortable with, since Shughart and Gordon (RIP) were both Snipers they had their guns set up for that type of thing.
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There is a M16 Carbine version. It's barrel and foregrip is shortened but not the stock. It is NOT an SR15 if people are thinking that.
Also it was shughart which had an M21/M14, and Gordon who had the sileced Carbine.
About what carbines they did use, the XM177E1 has a very short barrel. The one in OFP.
The XM177E2 has a larger flashhider.
The CAR15 is the VERY compact carbine, which was used in Vietnam war, and replaced by the XM because the CAR15 was too inaccurate.
The M16 Carbine version I've gone over.
The M4A1 you can tell apart from it's look alikes by the difference in the shape of the muzzle and barrel.
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OK I've checked, Shugart uses ab M14 with a scope attached.
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the carabin in BHD is a M16A2 COMMANDO whit a M68 Aimpoint(c) Dotsight and a silencer
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Posted by: mattmayhem Posted on: September 26, 2002, 17:11
Well whatever it is i would still kill for Gordon's gun .
Ahem...
I don't want to come off as a complete geezer here... but some respect is in order. These men were Congressional Medal of Honor Winners, and gave their lives...
I understand what you meant mattmayhem. If that's what Sgt. Gordon carried on the mission, I thought it was a badass weapon too, but it came off a little coarse. I'm sure he would've killed for it too, and probably was killed doing just that.
No Big deal, just my two cents.
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I agree with ferret my freind is friends with Gary Gordons son (The Gordon's have moved) and Gary went in knowing he was going to die just to hold off the Somolians long enough to get extracted.
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Both of thoes Men are True Heros, They didn't ask to be but, it turned out that way, they Deserve all the Respect they have been given (the Medal of Honor, and a Training area used by the Rangers for CQB, Shughart and Gordon Training area) some Sammie Ran off with it and sold it I'm sure >:(, In my opinion it belongs in a Museum in a place of Honor, not on some one's Mantel.
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You're right, what i meant was :
I would really like to see a addon released based on the Modified Car-15 used by the actor who played as Sgt. Garry Gordon.
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It's cool dude...
'Just got a soft spot in my heart for those guys- and all the others that give their all in a fight, but don't get to come home to waltz the home coming queen, you know?
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It's cool dude...
'Just got a soft spot in my heart for those guys- and all the others that give their all in a fight, but don't get to come home to waltz the home coming queen, you know?
Yes , i agree i think they were extremely brave men to have done what they did. They put themselves in that position fully knowing the dangers and little hope of them making it through for the chance that they might save the men of the crashed chopper, who if my memory is correct were ALL still alive imediately after the impact, in the movie it only shows durant still alive.
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It's cool dude...
'Just got a soft spot in my heart for those guys- and all the others that give their all in a fight, but don't get to come home to waltz the home coming queen, you know?
Yes , i agree i think they were extremely brave men to have done what they did. They put themselves in that position fully knowing the dangers and little hope of them making it through for the chance that they might save the men of the crashed chopper, who if my memory is correct were ALL still alive imediately after the impact, in the movie it only shows durant still alive.
I think only Durant was alive after the Crash, If not the Crew Chefs and Co Pilot Died very shortly after, I know Super Six One (CWO Cliff Walcox's Chopper) all but Cliff Walcox survived, but I think CWO Mike Durant was the only Surviver of the actual CRASH of Super Six Four.
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I remeber in the book it says that shugart and gordon, removed the crew all of whom were wounded and positioned them to defend the crash, I imagine that they died one by one as time went on, but initially they were all alive. Anyways it dosent matter.
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I don't know for sure, You Could Ask Mike Durrant, but I Doubt He Likes to Talk About it, Can't say I'd Blame Him. :-\
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was gary gordon the guy who shot that bore at the beginning
of the movie; the one talking to eversman at the end?
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wait a minute, he was a delta sniper
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Gordon Was one of the Operators Who Died Saving Mike Durant, No The Guy Talking to SSgt. Eversman was his Nick Name was Hoot, I think he was Master Sergent Hooten, not sure about the Rank though.
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I think Hoot was the most interesting and enigmatic of all the operators as described by Bowden. Wonder what he does now? I don't remember his rank either, could have been just about anything short of colonel... as they are much like CID, and do not depend so much on military protocol to make decisions, or lead. Many US SPECOPS units funtion in this way. Only real "Meateaters" actually lead, and are respected by fellow team members.
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I know he was an NCO for sure, cause most of the Delta in Samolia were NCOs, you have to be at least an E6 (Staff seregent) to be Delta. But yeah the D boys disreguard Rank almost completely.
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That's true
Steele - "You're safety should be on at all times"
Hoot - "Well, this is my safety sir"
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I think Hoot's rank Master Sergeant of something like that.
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The character Hoot and several other characters in the BHD film were based on several different people and their actions on 3rd October 1993. He was mainly based around 'Hooten Segeant First Class' an operator from Delta.
I highly recommend anyone who has seen the film to also read the book, as it tells you more in depth about the real men who took part and what happened to Durant and how he was released after the battle in Mogadishu.
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I'm sure that Sergeant Sanderson (the other more known
D-Boy) was based on Sergeant Howe from the book.
During combat Howe complained that these new green tiped (Armour Piercing) rounds were crap, that they went right through the somalis, he shot one 5 times and still not dead.
In the BHD DVD it shows an deleted scene at the base where Sanderson is looking at his new M68 Aimpoint scope, and starts loading his magazines with the green tiped rounds, Hoot tells him that
"The Somalis don't wear armour. Those rounds would go right through them, I don't know about you but I don't want to hit a guy 6 times and worry if he's still out there in the woods waiting for me"
Sanderson gives him a grin, and carries on loading his mag.
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Yesterday was the Nine Year Aniversiry of the Battle of the Black Sea ("the Day of the Rangers" as the samolis say)
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Just a request to Flip.
Could you make certain parts of the M4A1 black, like the stock and foregrip.
Cause when I look at the M4 it looks abit crap when it's grey. That includes everything.
The parts that are grey on the real steal could you make darker on the OFP version.
Something that light coloured would stick out like a bulldogs bollocks.
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ok just so you all know that the difference between an M14
and an m21 is the scope and the fiber-glass stock. i would amagine if shughart had a scoped m14 it would be an m21
and also a scope is much bigger then the one on his gun... its only an aimpoint
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ok just so you all know that the difference between an M14
and an m21 is the scope and the fiber-glass stock. i would amagine if shughart had a scoped m14 it would be an m21
and also a scope is much bigger then the one on his gun... its only an aimpoint
There are quite a few more differences between the M14 and the M21, and it's not stock material related. And a scope does not signify whether a rifle is a "sniper" rifle or not.
Just FYI.
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well ive read alot of articles that argree with me
its got a few more things like accurising parts there isnt much more that differs from the m14 so i dont know wat ur talkin bout
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Details maybe, but it's enough to make a difference. Performance wise, the M21 *is* superior to your "average" M14.
Tight groupings, tuned trigger, etc.
So, yes, while they are the same rifle--in essence--it's still a bit more of a difference than furniture material (which is not true since M21's were initially designed with the wood M14 stock) and slapping a scope on it. Afterall, why give it a new designation instead of something like... M14SV (Sniper Version) or M14 match-grade? :)
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yea i spose, thats just say its a remakable rifle
i would still like to see 1 that shughart in BHD carried and a gordons M4
and sum1 should make a M4 SPR (special pupose rifle) those things are awesome ;D ;D ;D
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Sory registered_fugitiv when you say M4 SPR (special pupose rifle) do you mean SOPMOD (special operation modefication) M4 or what. And if not, what is the special about the M4 SPR, I mean what things do it have that others don't have.
It chould be that I whould make one when find out how to skin.
STGN
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Sory registered_fugitiv when you say M4 SPR (special pupose rifle) do you mean SOPMOD (special operation modefication) M4 or what. And if not, what is the special about the M4 SPR, I mean what things do it have that others don't have.
It chould be that I whould make one when find out how to skin.
The M4 SPR (Special Purpose Receiver) is a sniper configuration of the M4.
It was most recently seen in use (by US SF) in Afghanistan and in the Philippines.
http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/album18
Verrry nice.
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yea exactly sniper version and awesome looking
i would just be the persons best friend if they made 1 of these
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I have found a coupel of pictures of the gun but there arnt many and thats a problem. I don't have time but I could make the most of the model today, but stil I can't Skin it so it whont be the most beuteful to look ad, but because i am only improving an old model there will be texture.
And you sound like you like this rifel registered_fugitiv
so you can get the alfa version when its is finish. ofcause you don't have to take it if you dont want to. ???
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cool man your my best friend ;D
i'll be ur tester for it tell ya wat else it needs and u take ur time on this awesome peice of weaponry
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Ive made an M4 with m203 and acogs if anyone wants it-its in oxygen with the first two lods but i cant texture it, I tried but failed.
Heres a pic-647 polycount but i can lower it
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Hey mates - I agree that an SPR would be a nice addition to the arsenal. You would have to create new optics for the scope however, in addition to a few other things.
If you're trying to find quality m4s, DL FliPeR's M4A1 2.0 pack off of www.planetrainbowsix.com/atwar/ofp
They come with the M203 GL & different loadouts for magazines. Nice touch.
No scopes, all iron sights, yet his subsequent M4 packs will be based around optics.
Cheers mates
ofpeditor
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If you're trying to find quality m4s, DL FliPeR's M4A1 2.0 pack off of www.planetrainbowsix.com/atwar/ofp
They come with the M203 GL & different loadouts for magazines. Nice touch.
No scopes, all iron sights, yet his subsequent M4 packs will be based around optics.
Cheers mates
ofpeditor
Yeah, that addon is kind of what this entire thread is supposed to be about. ;D
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Touche mate ;D
I thought I was in a different forum when I wrote it. My apologies :)
Cheers mate
ofpeditor
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You're Funny, Ofpeditor, well, we haven't heard from FlipeR in a month! I hope he didn't Die, that would be bad, He's probly in a Lab, with his little Ompa Lompas, like Bibmi was a few weeks ago, but this could have been his Plan, he'd make the best Gun out there, then Give up telling us he would realease more, then we'd get Impatient and Get to work out Selves, oh well it don't matter to me just, as long as it gets done, maybe I'll learn to do this, I have O2 but it's hard I don't under stand. ???
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:PYou and your laboratory Oompa Loompas, sheesh...
But in all seriousness, I really hope he's not dead. ;D
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ok guys STGN is making our SPR
it still needs a few textures and hes putting more stuff on it but its gonna be 1 hell of a weapon
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What would you need a M203 fore where would you put it on a SPR did you look ad the pictures on that site ofpeditor ???.
I have just altered teh sight from M21 so it is longer and som ditails.
when i find out how to post a picture i will.
STGN
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STGN - please re-read what I wrote. I never mentioned an m203 on the SPR.
I said if you're looking for a quality m4 pack addon (which does not include an SPR) then to DL FliPeRs, and that the m4 models come with multiple configurations, including an m203 on a few.
Got it?
cheers.
ofpeditor
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And I too hope that FliPeR is alive and kicking...
:)
ofpeditor
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I don't have much of a clue as to how this may be done.. but is there a way to decompile Fliper's M-4's, so that they can be finished with the Reflex and ACOG sights?
It seems as though there are some great modellers over at BAS, who could add the scopes to the existing models without too much trouble.
Just in the event Fliper can't finish them himself...
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I'll bet he's just Busy with the Animation Technonogy, we should get FlipeR's Okay before Crackin' Open his M4s, or at least Tell him, if he doesn't answer, then well... :-\
About the Ompa Loompas I was feelin' a little Ompa Loompaish so dont wory it's nothing weird. ;D
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No dude, Oompa Loompas ARE weird.
And speaking of weird, Someone else has already done exactly what I had suggested WITH Fliper's permission.
Apparently, SJB has released a scoped M-4 pack, including an SPR, or DMR weapon, and this is posted right at the top of OFPEC's news page:
http://www.ofpec.com/intel/index.php?a=show&newsID=153
And this is the info for the addon:
"heads up from Jackal326:
I thought I would let you guys know that I have finished the latest version (version 3) of my M4 Pack (other versions were Private Releases) and it is now ready for public release. It is in *.CAB and *.ZIP formats (both links attached) to accomodate those with programs such as \'PowerArchiver\' which can open *.CAB files (I dont believe \'WinZip\' can).
The pack adds 18 new M4 Variants all edited from FliPer\'s M4 which he gracefully gave permission for me to use. Marksman versions and Custom versions are present along with camo (pictured in zip) and SOPMOD variants which are also featured. Anyway, here are the links..."
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That's a really nice pack. I especially liked the marksman version. However, i found it had a graphics glitch when seen from a certain distance (around 30-50meters). The whole model goes rectangle/untextured. Quite irritating :(
Thing is, i can't raise Jackal through e-mail to tell him, because the address is down... :-\ :P
But overall, this pack is absolutely worth the download! ;)
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those are no SPRs these are SPR
http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/album18
thats just a M4 with a scope or a marksmanship M4 look at the barrel and the sights
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yeah, I thought the same thing registered_fugitiv, still it's better than nothing...
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@ Ferret Fangs
I am Weird!
*back On Topic*
I just D/L the SJB M4 Pack, but I don't understand why he didn't make them Compatable with the FLPM4A1mag? rather that his Own SJBM4A1mag, the weapon Name is Fine, but he should have made it Compatable with FlipeR's Mags but I'll Live
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well i guess the M4 SPR dont really matter in this anyway seing that STGN is making 1
and bout the mag thing i think its to do with the sound
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Why would the sound have any thing to do with the different magazine types? I don't remember any config sound settings that have an effect on the weapon's magazine.
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Well, might it be possible to just change the ammonames in the .cpp and allow all the weapons (except the SD ones) to use M4A1mag?
If it's for your own use, I doubt anyone could stop you.
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Oh well, I'll Be Okay, I like the Marksman Version that was Very Good, But the scope on the others, should be there in Place of the Handle or Right on top of the Handle, like in this picture of the M4A1 M203
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The scope attached to a carrying handle looks pretty much like M68, but the view from it looks more like from Trijicon ACOG.
I remeber Fliper's screens of his M4a1 with M68. Man that looked beautiful (and pretty finished to me).
SJB, heavy marksman m4, however, looks good (even with LOD cheating).
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ok dude its not a fregin SPR
so ppl stop calling it 1
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Wenker from W and L Mods had screen Shots of a very good looking M4, his site http://www.geocities.com/wandlmods I have a Pic here But I don't know if it'll ever get Done :-\
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well that guns for counter strike dude
i know ive had it
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This gun looks great (even Fliper was impressed), but the poly count of the model if far beyond OFP engine possibilities. However i think i remember that Wenkel said something about lowering the number of polygons of this model so it could be imported into OFP.
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Shoot It's ALMOST almost as good a FlipeR's! ;D but I hope it's imported into OFP that would be Esquisite! :D I hope FlipeR does some thing, or SJB Improves it ever so slightly, that would be Gnarly!