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Addons & Mods Depot => OFP - Addons & Mods Beta Testing => Topic started by: Donnervogel on 11 Nov 2002, 01:07:00
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Hi guys. I am working on a UH34D. I don't have much time to work on it. I can only spare time on weekends. Therefore I am working on it for a long time now ;)
I am texturing the fuselage now and I wanted to ask wich style of markings you prefer and if there is any logical difference ;)
I found two 'common' styles of those choppers and I can't decide wich one would be better.
Style 1 :
'MARINES' written in white letters and that logo with the star
http://www.popasmoke.com/visions/showimage.php?content=2588 (http://www.popasmoke.com/visions/showimage.php?content=2588)
Style 2 :
'MARINES' written in black letters and without that logo
http://www.popasmoke.com/visions/image.php?source=2065 (http://www.popasmoke.com/visions/image.php?source=2065)
I attached a image of my model as it looks like now.
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Thats lookin just fine! In regard to the paint scheme....i suggest the later without the white letters, i think it was more comon and blends in better.
But i'm liking the look of it!
Vyper
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get some, get some, get some, looks sweet will fit well into the nam pack
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The model looks badass nice job there Donner hope you make some good textures for it m8
Keep up the good work ;)
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Lookin Good man...
The UH34 was also used almost exclusively by SOG. A special Vietnamese unit flew SOG teams to "places we weren't" in that bird.
I believe they were unmarked. I think I can find info and pictures. Will be back later. Gota "WORK" on something. ;)
Here's a link a VNAF H34 from the 219th Kingbees:
http://vnaf.net/photos/choctaw/h34_219_1.jpg (http://vnaf.net/photos/choctaw/h34_219_1.jpg)
And some info:
A photo of an H-34 "Kingbee" helicopter, unmarked due to its mission of supporting S.O.G. recon teams in Cambodia and Laos. The Green Beret soldier is a former recon team leader and at the time (early 1969) of this picture a SPAF/Covey rider who directed over border recon team insertions and extraction's as well as tactical air support for those teams. (SPAF is an acronym for Sneaky Pete Air Force, the Clandestine U.S.Army O-1 Bird-dogs which flew daily missions in Cambodia and Laos to support reconnaissance and interdiction of the Ho Chi Minh trail). This particular bird was piloted by "Cowboy" a legendary Vietnamese pilot of extraordinary skill and valor, from the 219th Helicopter Squadron in Da Nang. Cowboy lost his life in a "Black Op" supporting the recon men of SOG.
The Special Ops community should be universally pleased to see "Cowboy" get some well earned press. All of the H-34s that supported us in '69 while I was there were this green/black combination paint scheme, but they also supported our sister unit CCN out of Marble Mountain. We always got the same aircrews who were highly skilled, fearless and dependable in the face of enemy fire. Cowboy for example had thousands of flight hours and would go anywhere, anytime despite the odds. It's a wonder he lived as long as he did. Many Special Forces Recon soldiers owe him their lives...
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the marines also used the UH-34D a lot, the famous FMJ "How can you kill women and children...." scene was from a UH-34D
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I meant that SOG used ONLY the UH34, at least in the early part of the war. I think better than I write (sometimes) ;)
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ah probably my fault...i really should learn to read one of these days :P
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Hehe thx guys. I'm looking what I can do. But I still don't know wich style you'd prefer. I'd like to make a marines version first. But wich one of those two? Maybe I can add other textures later. However I'll start my next modeling/texturing session friday evening and I'll start with more basic things than the markings. I am really short on time these days. You have to be patient :)
So far I textured the cockpit and the inside of the chopper but I found so many different styles of that too that I'll maybe modify it. Depends on what looks best.
Here's a pic of the cockpit
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and one of the inside.
I used the same sheme that was used vor the hueys later but without details so far. Maybe i'll change it since I don't like the look of it very much.
btw: Don't worry about the different green tones. I'm still tweaking it to find the best looking green for OFP.
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Korea and early Vietnam where in white, later they changed it to black, at least thats what father-in-law said (Korea) and a buddy of mine (Vietnam). So I would go with the white to cover both areas.
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the marines also used the UH-34D a lot, the famous FMJ "How can you kill women and children...." scene was from a UH-34D
Thats were my "get some, get some, get some" was from :D
Btw looking sweet.
also any good tips on taking Screenshots from DVD's using power DVD?
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Nice chopper. I'd go with the white early-Vietnam markings as the UH-34 got replaced later in the war. Also the cockpit gauges should be analog and crude by today's standards. I believe this was a piston engine chopper, so sounds may be hard to come by. Piston radial and v-12 engine noises are dramatically different from a turbine. I'll see if I can't dig something up for you. Maybe try and rip the sound from Full metal Jacket or somewhere else. :)
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or search around for its counterparts, like the RAF Wessex, it's still in use today out in Cyprus
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The Wessex is powered by a turbine engine, the earlier Whirlwind was powered by a radial engine you might have better luck in finding a radial sound if you look for a Whirlwind instead ;)
You can get some info on both from http://www.helicoptermuseum.co.uk/collection/westland.htm
And correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the chopper used in FMJ actually a re-sprayed Wessex (hardly surprising really since it was filmed here in the UK :D)
Anyway enough technical details, nice model! ;D
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As for the sound. I belive the sound in FMJ was resampled and isn't from an UH-34. But I will care about that when I come to the final tweaking.
For the cockpit. There are almost no pictures of cockpit instruments that can be used in a texture. I've found some but they're all from the side or one that is pretty good but it's a special cockpit. Not the common one. Therefore I painted the texture myself. There are no digital intruments in there now but I don't know how many instruments were in there because I didn't find any cockpit shot's from an UH-34 used by US forces in that era and the other shots vary extremly in color and number and type of instruments.
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you Model seen Great i hope you relase the copper .
Is Great fine work
EvilMadcat
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well, hopefully you can find the cockpit pics online somewhere, I'll snoop around too and see if I can't come up with something. If not, I live here in Tucson Arizona, so if worst comes to worst, I can run down to the airplane boneyard and try and snap some pics of a UH-34 cockpit for you. I'm looking forward to this addon!
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Oh that'd be great. An authentic cockpit shot would help me very much.
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Wow dude, this awesome is gonna be great for early war Vietnam missions! Best of Luck, let me know if I can help you in anyway!
cloney@comcast.net
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Hmm I'm sorry to anounce that I have some unexpected problems.
I am stuck with that airing grid on the nose of the chopper. You can see it here:
http://209.133.73.67/AWA/AWA_401-500/AWA_401-410/walk410_H-34_Smith/04.jpg (http://209.133.73.67/AWA/AWA_401-500/AWA_401-410/walk410_H-34_Smith/04.jpg)
I have no idea how to wrap my texture around that nose without streching it. I tried it for some hours but without success.
Can anybody give me a hint on this?
I attached an image where you can see the current state of the texture.
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Someone help this man!!!
We NEED this addon!
BTW those textures look really good. Too bad you have that problem :/
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Where are all those texture god's :-\
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Doing other Godly things I guess... They fail to see the true talent and brilliance in this project.
Keep at it bud! We know you can do it.
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Well for what i know there is no trick to do that.
Oxygen cant do that.
But you can make it for the side and then look what parts are stretched out.
Then select these polys and texture that part.
Hope you still following me ;)
Greetings Marce
Ps. Looks really great!
Keep up the great work!
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Yeah I know that o2 can't do it. STT helped me a bid. I hope I can do it without messing it up too much. I had to edit the geometry a bit there but it's still a pain in the a** to get those textures match each other.
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There is never an easy way to do something like this. I don't know how you have your textures setup, so I can't help.
If you send me the files, I can help. After working with ST on detailing his choppers, I have quite a few things that might work, but it's really mostly trial and error. I personally would try to make the side and top down views of that area line up pretty nicely, then rotate around the model until you can get the rounded part as a flat plane, so that when you are looking at the polygon, you only see a flat polygon, then texture that polygon, then check it, then redo.. over and over.
There must be an easier way, but I'm not a modeler by trade, so I would have no idea how a "real" modeler would do it.
Ebud
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Also, if you do the texture in hi enough detail, you can duplicate the screen on a backup layer, and "smash" the area, so that when it gets stretched, it looks normal.
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thx fot the hints. I think I can do it now. It's hard ;) But I am on a good way I think.
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Wow, you were able to decipher my rambling? Hehe, glad I could help somewhat. Can't wait to see the progress. Let me know if you need any help with any other texture related issues, or anything else.
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Sure. But I try to do as much alone as I can because it's my first addon. I need experience ;)
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How's it coming along?
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I have to repeat that I can only work on weekends. Therfore not much visible progress so far. But I am working. I solved that texture problem with the nose of the chopper pretty good. Not perfect but I think it's the best I could do. And I added some details to the nose texture and that's it for today. It's almost 12:00 pm here and I am a a bit ill and need some sleep.
btw:
I am still in need of autenthic cockpit shots from the vietnam or korea era.
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THe picture on this page (http://celag.free.fr/museum/h34/us_h34_2.htm) is a restoration but it might help. Its in the second column on the second row.
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the best ive been able to find is of an S-61(civilian classification of the choctaw/wessex i think), i think theres only one digital display in this and its on the center concole, remove that and it should be fine...
(http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/cockpits/s-61n.jpg)
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I have that restauration pic already but as I know from another source it isn't the typical dashboard for UH 34D used in Vietnam. But infact I used it for the instruments I painted.
The other pic has a great perspective. But the cockpit looks very different from that of an UH 34D in some places ;) But I think I can piece the texture together from it :) Thanks Evis!
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any updates? using the nam pack with this will be sweet.
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Updates... well I am thinking of redoing a buch of the current textures at some places (if I can figure out how to do it in photoshop) and there is still enough work to do. As I said I can't work on it during the weekdays and last weekend I was ill and couldn't do as much as I wanted to do. And then there is that annoying problem with O2 that doesn't let me set textures. I always need some hours just to start o2 ;) So there can be no short term work on it.
But work is underway and I've textured most of the fuselage now and I've constantly worked on the other LODs to optimise them.
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Donnervogel, I have to say some impressive work with the UH-34D. I have some engine sounds of the UH-34D I believe 4 different versions. If you're interested, or need any .wav clips, just send me PM and I'd happy to supply you with them.
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Argh I couldn't get O2 running properly today. So I couldn't proceed in texturing. But I edited the cockpit. It looks much better now even though I couldn't add textures.
I hate BIS for NOT supporting O2.
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Have any News of the uh-34d?
Pics ?
Michael Henke
www.operation-nam.de
:P
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You'll get pics as soon as I completed the rough texturing on the first LOD. I think it'll be finished next weekend... if the O2 gods are with me and let o2 run properly. After that I'll try to add some different color tones on the fuselage but that is final tweaking. I still have work left with the other LODs and of course the whole cpp writing stuff.
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I'm sorry that I didn't post screenshots but I was pretty unsatified with the textures and I reworked them. Now I am still unsatisfied with the textures for the inside and the cockpit. espeacialy the dashboard. It's extremly hard to get that done because there are almost no useable screenshots of those parts in the net. Some things I painted myself but since I'm not at all an artist they look... hmm not very good.
However here is a shot with the outside of the chopper.
(it looks pretty ugly because of the jpeg compression...)
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I'd be willing to help texture, if you need any. I think the Nam heli's turned out pretty nice :)
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(http://www.helispot.com/images/02048.jpg)
hope it helps, btw looking good.
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hehe I've got almost 20 MB shots of the outside ;)
I mean shots of the cabin and the cockpit are very rare and if there are any they're taken from an angle I can't use for my textures. At the moment it lacks me of authentic cockpit dashboard shots and the front part of the cabin.
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Donnervogel let Ebud help you with the textures I know it will than be a masterpiece m8 ;)
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We'll see. I didn't said it's impossible. It's hard and I am unsatisfied with the look right now. I can paint it. It doesn't look bad normaly. But compared to photo realistic parts it looks poor.
I'll ask ebud for help when I made all the texture I can make and I still have problems. At the moment I just have problems with two pieces of texture. It's the dasboard. Because I can't paint the instruments photo realistic and I've got only one half authentic shot of it from a unusable angle. And the other part is the front wall of the cabin. I have some shots of it but there's always too much stuff in the way or it's too dark. The rest is going on well and almost finished for the first LOD. For the other LOD's I can't tell because I'll have to test it out. I have no experience with tweaking of low detail LODs so far.
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If you ever need any help, I'm always willing to help out texture wise. About 10 miles from where I live in a Chicago suburb is a small company that has one of these beasts at a small helipad... nowhere near an airport, but everytime I drive by I think about this addon :)
Over the break if you'd like I can try to call them to see if I can take some pictures. It may be too modern for you, but it might help. I'm afraid they may think I'm from an insurance company or that I'm taking pictures for an unsavory reason.
Good luck, and I let me know if you need any help.
Ebud
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thx
I am on vacation now and I should be able to proceed faster.
I hope I can finish the whole modeling/texture thing in the next two weeks.
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glad to see this projects still alive ;)
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i think i might speak for eveyone, when i say, Great job, and we need lots more pics
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Hehe the project was always alive. But I have to study ;) I don't want to fail in my education because of a game ;)
Pics. Well there's not much more to see now. The major part in texturing is tweaking little things and move things one pixel and check and move another one and check... takes much time and nobody will notice it later hehe.
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Any pic you can show us ???
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The major part in texturing is tweaking little things and move things one pixel and check and move another one and check... takes much time and nobody will notice it later hehe.
Some people do. Imagine doing that over multiple p3ds :)
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Any News or Pics ?????
EvilMadcat
AKA
henk
www.operation-nam.de
;D ;D ;D
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No, but bad news.
Due to a harddisc failure that destroyed one of my harddisks I lost most of the work I've done. Now I just have the first LOD and it's textures wich I had stored on an other harddisk... fortunately.
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That's bad news m8 if you had sended Ebud the model too in helping you in textures you had than all the lods and was almost finnished ;)
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Whatever you do, don't loose the project!
Your a talented modeler and i forsee grea thing *in Alex Guiness voice* for you! And i want a UH-34 something chronic!
Have a good one!
Vyper
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Donnervogel have you lost the Modell or all and can you work or not many of ofp nam players have a great intress of your heli is work go on or not ????
EvilMadcat
www.operation-nam.de ??? ??? ???
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I lost everything but the first LOD... thats the most detailed model and the textures for it. Luckily I had a save of a p3d on another harddisc but it was from an earlier stage. But the bad news are that I had it almost done and that work ist lost now. The most textures and all the other models. Now I don't have much time anymore. I can't tell when I can finish it. I lost all the work I did in my vacation time.
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:'(
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SEB team will make a air and a tank module I think they make a UH34D too ;)
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I was under the impression that the SEB team was going to use the UH-34. Was I wrong? I think it's a brilliant model and they'd be silly not to use it. I hope all parties can find some sort of arrangement to give us the chopper with the SEB Nam Pack, as then it will be standardized amongst all us Nam players.
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I posted this on the 3D model page, but will leave it here to for the UH-34.
I found this site, it contains aircraft and helo instrument panels.
http://gra.midco.net/mlgould/
;D
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Thx but I know that site. Unfortunately I can't use those pictures to piece the pannekl together because of the angle. I tried sevral tmes to paint it myself but it doesn't look very good.
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Any News Of the Chopper or Work ?
EvilMadcat
www.operation-nam.de
;D
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I think he stopped the project :-[
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Awwwww, say it aint so! This is a very good project and looks like its got some real talent behind so please don't give it up!
Vyper
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Stopped... well practically yes, it's on hold. Sorry guys I have my exams soon. I have to learn.
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Learn? Your putting it on hold so you can further your education? God thats soooo selfish ;).
Well, as its such a good model i guess we can wait! ehehe
Good luck in your exams mate!
Vyper
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I would hope this project gets back off the ground......
Any News?
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Hey everyone. I hope this project gets off the groud again. I would really like to see a uh34d with a transport version and maybe even a GUNSHIP version. The we're used as gunships until the HUEY arrived. Hell yes.
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Sorry guys but if you would see my tight schedule you'd all be scared hehe.
I am thinking of giving my model away to somone that is better in texturing and has the time to complete it.
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Sorry to hear RL is busy, know how that goes all too well :( We'd love to continue the work you did on the heli for the Nam Pack, PM me.
SelectThis
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A ray of heavenly light has beamed down upon this project. IT HAS BEEN SAVED!!!!!!! AMEN!!!!!
Woooohooooo!
Seriously,
Thanks for donating the project, Donner. I hope RL gets better so that you'll at least be able to play with the fruits of your labor. And thanks for offering to pick up the project, SelectThis. I can't wait. :)
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Ok I am sending all the project files to STT at this moment. I am sure it will be excellent work once it gets released.
I hope I can return to OFP modeling (i really don't like texturing hehe) sometime in the future.
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Nobody likes texturing, glad to see the UH34 will live on :D
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It Lives!
Great job Donner, I know this is going to be a keeper. ;D
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For all Users here->
DONT buy IBM or Hitachi hdds there are very often chrash!
Use Maxtor hdds, there are on of the best!
And save your datas at CD-RW mediums or 2 Hdds or for experts at DLT tapes!
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in fact it was a maxtor HDD that got dammaged while all the IMB are running smoothly. And the maxtor was also the newest one ;)
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Comon people. This is a cool topic 8)
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we're all just waiting to see some progress....then we'll keep this thread alive...