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Addons & Mods Depot => OFP - Addons & Mods Beta Testing => Topic started by: m21man on 31 Aug 2003, 04:03:33
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I was wondering if anyone was thinking of making or is making more converted resistance vehicles. I was looking for an M1 Abrams, M60, M113, and M2A2 with those big green markings the resistance uses to mark its captured Soviet tanks.
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capturing the latest US vehicles like the bradley and m1a1 is quite littereally impossible think about it, they are so computerized and parts are so hard to get that resistance fighters won't be able to evan maintain such a system, it takes a good few months and lots of money to train a tank crewmen and i don't think resistance has that money lying around
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plus the US does not leave semi damaged tanks around. if they are unusable they fire on them with other tanks and throw in same incerdy nades
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True about that guys, But I think the poster would agree that there were more DIFFERENT resistance vehicles, such as very poor armed and armored tanks, ( U know ones Resistance Soldiers could manage ), Cause the Resistance only got 3 tanks now. Come to think of it, Every side doesnt got that much tanks ;)
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At the least, something simple like the M113 could be reskinned with Resistance textures.
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Frankly, unless the Resistance had some hired mercenary tank crews and a lot of money they couldn't use any tanks. They're damn difficult to drive, and a nightmare to maintain. Tanks need constant repairs and spare parts. It's unlikely that a militia army could have them and service them.
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and the T-80, T-75 and BMP are just like riding a bike? Who cares if in real world they'd never be able to drive them....the amount of tankcrews i've taken out in my OFP lifetime surely the russians wouldn't have anymore....but they keep coming...there's realism then theres just being plain silly!
Vyper
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The resistance is supposed to be freindly to the americans anyways.... unless you want them enemys.... I think they have enough tanks. But it would be nice to see other resistance vehicles... Perhaps trucks with MGs on them... Or a small boat mounted with guns... That would be cool....
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Thats what I meant, thost vehicles with stationed guns on them, what about a resistance toyota jeep with an MG gun on it? It would be cool.
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there is a toyota jeep with an MG on it, but I cant remember whos side it is on. i will have a look in a min...
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the toy with the mg is resistance.
but yes the resistance needs more trucks. and some planes would be nice.. or helos..
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Yeah, since the Resistance scavenges pretty much anything that comes its way, it'd be cool to have more stuff that looks stolen. Maybe some Urals with big green stripes on them so they look like they've been seized by resistance troops. As for the captured M1 and M2A2 models, I agree that they'd be unrealistic, but since when has OFP been completely realistic? Somehow, I can't see U.S. special forces being trained to fly Soviet helicopters ;D, but Gastovski does it more than once during the CWC campaign.
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I know there was an addon like that Suzuki jeep for Resistance, Fragsta. Only this one is blue and not quite war-like colors.. But thanks anyway..
I somehow still think it wouldnt be fun if Resistance had M1A1 Abrahams tanks, The picture just isnt right, by the way I think Resistance got to be much weaker than East or West is.. They should have some jeeps and trucks and some big soviet tanks, but no choppers or Abrahams, Give them war vehicles they used in the years 50-60, that would be nicer..
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Why does everyone have the Resistance friendly to the West just because they were in the official campaigns? It's just as likely that the Americans are the attackers and conquerors.
Oh and there is a script that allows you to stick an M2 on any vehicle but it doesn't really look good. It also prevents it from carrying cargo I believe.
the amount of tankcrews i've taken out in my OFP lifetime surely the russians wouldn't have anymore....but they keep coming...there's realism then theres just being plain silly!
I was just making a point. There is also a big difference between the Red Army and a Resistance army. The Red Army's numbers would be in the millions... several thousand times the size of any of the islands in OFP's entire population. Russia is a B-I-I-I-G country, bigger than some continents (if not in population size, but hey).
I've never seen a Resistance Jeep with MG, is this an addon?
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there is one, its a suzuki and its not res the one i have, and the textures are screwey, and it dont work in high res mode, which sux cux everythin else looks good in high res...
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mayb the res could make their own version of a certain tank with slightly different weapons and ability for people to sit on the side and man machine guns they stuck on with masking tape and pva glue. that would be good if someone made that!
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i could see res maybe makign a hybid tank from m113, m1a1, m60, m2a2, and type 72 and 80's
that would be kinda funny to see a t-80 with an m1a1 turrent and main gun on it... or a m113 with a t-80 turrent.
some smaller countries do that ype of thing turn their old out of date tanks into troop carries and stuff.
and res should have atleast a huey or 2. anyone can by those.. and simple to add a gun to the side.
as for the black ops in the campains. they are cia ops. they are trained in everything russian. they know russian equment better then they know american.. so it is easy to see him flying a russian helo..
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Hey, the Resistance are farmers from a small island in a cold sea. You think they could dismantle an Abrams' gun and put a T80 chassis on it? They can't even keep their doors on their hinges! (look at the buildings in the original islands). Maybe they can fix tractors, but... tanks?
and res should have atleast a huey or 2. anyone can by those.. and simple to add a gun to the side.
as for the black ops in the campains. they are cia ops. they are trained in everything russian. they know russian equment better then they know american.. so it is easy to see him flying a russian helo..
Okay, that's assuming that the aforementioned farmers can fly helicopters, never mind actually having the money to buy one ;) . And it's not the fact that they fly Russian choppers so much as its the fact that they're flying any chopper. I don't think many black ops are taught this (unless there are black op pilots). Plus, Dmitri Lukin not only flies a Chopper but rides a T72 as well! What a well-rounded guy! Though with an auto loader it probably isn't that hard to be a gunner...
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i think they could fly choppers, a few of them are pretty skilled seemin as they drive tanks and stuff. Anyway, how hard could it be?
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Umm... fairly hard I would imagine. Just because aircraft are piss-easy to fly in OFP doesn't make them easy in real life. Just to test your theory go and steal a helicopter from your nearest airport. See if you can get it off the ground without any teaching.
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Your thinking too much into this....the resistance doesn't have to be farmers and stuff...its just a side who can be neutral or against all or whatever...
the game isn't bound by cold war crisis or resistance....the resistance can be whatever the hell we want them to be!
Vyper
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you give a very good point vyper. Just cause they have a farming community doesnt mean they are farmers. How the hell would victor troska and all of his men know how to fire his gun, and drive a tank and stuff like that if he had no training.
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maybe they could have a Tractor.......with M"'s stuck on it.....and explosive chickens fired from a turret : D
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Unless you're using the Resistance as another professional army then they would have fuck-all training. They would know how to run and shoot but not much more. Certainly helicopters would be off the map. And I think if they're from a farming community on an island with no factories and shops then there's a good chance they're farmers. But still, Vyper is right that the Resistance can be whoever you want them to be.
I did try to make a tractor with a machine gun (it would be a real hit with farmers) but it didn't work. I can get it so that it has the aiming dot but it won't fire.
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i had an idea.....might be hard to do but a civilian vehicle with oddsNsods stuck on it wildly like bits of metal an wood an anything else that wud protect it some
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actual some tanks would be kinda liek driving a tractor and repairing one. but in the campains they are not all farmers some are cops and some where the military of novagic or whatever that island is..and if you damage the tracks on a tank you cna fix those if you ever worked on a dozer.
the sherman tank was effectiv cuz it was simple and farm boys could use it and fix it cuz it was jsut like working on a tracker and stuff..
so it is not that far fetched.
and helos and aircraft cna be hired.. look at bay of pigs..
some where flown by cia but alot where cubans taught how to fly by cia pilots.. it is not hard to take a crash course in flying. heck even those saudia terrorist that rammed the wtc could learned to fly in small planes then flew jumbo jets..
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Most tanks are quite simple to drive, since they usually have two turning sticks, a gear stick, and then accelerator, brake and clutch pedals. The difficulty lies in using the main gun properly (the "manual" sights for the main gun aren't as simple as the point-shoot-repeat ones in OFP, quite hard to explain what they look like, but it's damn complicated unless you're a trained tank gunner), and maintaining the beast, especially if it's a Western tank (the Russian T62 had a modified bus engine, so anyone who'd seen an engine before could fix it, within reason).
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How about this:
A rich Russian businessman is in Nogova for....business....anyway, he has a helicopter and it is being piloted by a....well....helicopter pilot. So this just happens to be during the invasion, and the Helicopter is shot down, and the businessman dies (what a shame ;D) but the pilot survives. He is captured by the resistance, and they realize he is friendly, merely a servant to the Fatcat communist, and take him in as a fighter, and he accepts their offer. They later capture a russian helicopter, perhaps a V80, and they ask the pilot (who meanwhile has given very basic training to res soldiers in how to fly) to use that helicopter to attack the russians. Good?
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The problem with helicopters is that they cost a lot to run and need lots of maintainance. Sure, a civillian pilot might be able to get to grips with a military whirlybird, but he'd know less than the square root of bugger all about how to use the weapons on it.
But this is all getting off-topic. Like Vyper said, the "Resistance" side is not neccesarily restricted to militia units, it's simply a side that can be set to fight either, neither or both the Eastern and Western sides. Personally, I reckon they should have made it dead simple and gone with Goodies, Baddies and Undecided ;D
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Ah but unless the tag of 'Goodies' and 'Baddies' was interchangeable it would be restrictive. Not everyone wants to make the Soviets the baddies.
Isn't 'Fatcat Communist' a contradiction in terms? Either way, it's an obscure idea.
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I wasn't being serious when I said they should have called them the goodies or baddies. Calling them Red or Blue might have done the same. Iunno.
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I prefer using the eastern troops...sure the west has more addons made for them...but then wheres the fun in you using them, fighting them with worse equipment is more of a challenge...and i just prefer the russian stuff (not that east is russian ofcourse)
Vyper
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This thread has really started to deviate from my original post >:(. All I wanted were U.S. vehicles retextured for the Resistance side :-\. Since the resistance can be anyone, they don't need to be farmers who are just itching to haul out the pitchforks ;D. Maybe they could be U.S. soldiers that rebelled against their superiors :-\, or Spetznatz that got caught behind enemy lines and stole some tanks. Hey, if Gastovski can drive Russian tanks, then a Spetznatz can drive an Abrams :D. They'd just paint their captured tanks with green stripes so that their own gunships didn't go after them :o.
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then a Spetznatz can drive an Abrams :D
Deadly combo...
Anyway, somebody may have already said this (didn't read entire thread), but there are plenty of retexturing tools out there, just look :).
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I can't do anything involving texturing :(.
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Putting a green cross on the roof of an existing unit can't be that hard. I mean, I'm not keen on texturing at all, but all you'd be doing is putting two thick lines on the roof textures ;)
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Yes, but they have to be good stripes ;D.
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Hmm as anyone made an Mi17 or Mi24 with a stripe on it?
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No. But I'd still like some M60s with green stripes, or even better a pack of winter resistance vehicles (Arctic T-80 w/ stripe, Arctic M60 w/ stripe, etc...).