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OFPEC The Editing Center => Comments & Suggestions => Topic started by: DBR_ONIX on 12 Apr 2004, 23:40:41
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Hey.
Seeing as how the recruitment depot is down, and I'm guessing it's not gonna be up for a wee while..
And moderater pending, I prupose that we all use this thread to post needed people.
And then people would IM/email the person to sign up.
So if I need some to do "nothing", I'd post
I need someone to do "nothing" on my mod "blahblah"
Email : me@here.com
Then the person willing to do nothing would email them..
The reason I am posting this is because the ammount of threads closed because of people recruiting, and the mods locking it saying "I'd point you to the recruit. depot, but it's shut, so post on a diff. forum" (Allong those lines) it quite high..
What'da ya think
- Ben
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The usual response is to submit their requirements to the Intelligence Depot as a news item.
That way their request for people appears on the front page.
This to me is a good enough alternative for the time being.
Planck
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As you have correctly pointed out, we do not allow recruitment in the forum (for various reasons). And this is a thread in the forums. The most obvious conclusion is: we do not allow recruitment in this thread.
The recruitment depot is being worked on and please be patient until it's back up.
Until then, your proposal is kindly rejected.
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The usual response is to submit their requirements to the Intelligence Depot as a news item.
This has been the case. However, as I see it, the Intel Depot does not publish any news items directly asking for help or advertising it.
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Okay, so you won't let people post new threads everywhere, mainly, I guess, so as not to clutter up the forums/databases.
So what is wrong with a single thread where people can recruit.
And when the recruitment depot is back up, it can be deleted.
But your not allowing this at all, even as a temp measure.
Sorry, but this dosn't make sense.
Sending news things would be very slow as someone has to get this, read it, okay it (Which Aktak says the don't) and then post it.. And requests would get lost ammong the other real news items, and I guess that people wanting new don't want to read a bunch of people's posts needing help.
Sorry, I don't mean to be annoying or anything, but I'm slightly annoyed about this whole thing..
It's illogical, you can't use the depot that is designed for recruiting, and you can use the forums, even as a temp meause that can be cleaned up in seconds (By deleting it)...
Again, sorry, but please consider it..
- Ben
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I doubt your idea would work, because it would require the mods to answer their IM's
I applied to be a mission/addon reviewer (2 weeks ago).......still no reply
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Did you send an IM to each of the depots respective admins??
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I sent a application to Anmac...
Then spoke to Noon416 about it...
Then IM'd Noon, Anmac & even snYpir about it...
It annoys me because there are precious few missions/addons being reviewed.
And if nobody is gonna review them, why should people spend time making the respective missions/addons
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Chudley,
There are *plenty* of missions being reviewed at a steady rate, so I'm failing to see where your perception is coming from... ???
With regards to your application, I will IM you about it shortly, as I can now see the likely reason why you haven't received a response.
And its in your best interest that the reason remain private.
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*slightly puzzled & very intrigued*
OK Noon..
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Okay, so you won't let people post new threads everywhere, mainly, I guess, so as not to clutter up the forums/databases.
So what is wrong with a single thread where people can recruit.
And when the recruitment depot is back up, it can be deleted.
But your not allowing this at all, even as a temp measure.
Sorry, but this dosn't make sense.
Sorry, but this makes perfect sense.
We've had this debate again and again, and here are (again) the most important reasons why we do not allow recruitment in the forum:
- The forums are a place to ask ofp editing related questions. The reason why this is widely considered the most helpful and effective forum in the area of ofp editing is that we don't allow discussions about other subjects. As soon as we'll allow non-editing related questions, the forum will get less effective in helping people out of their editing problems.
- The forum is there to serve the community in the first place. Sure, people can have their individual questions answered, but the answer will also be there for the rest of the community. Recruiting doesn't serve the community but the interests of individuals.
- Recruitment threads tend to be abused for internal communications of the recruiter. After a recruitment request you can count the hours to the first reply like "I've sent my application 2 hours ago and still haven't heard anything from you." This will be the first stone of an avalanche you can only stop by locking the thread.
- Recruitment threads have a high probability to turn into flame wars. You'll quite likely get flaming reactions of people who's application has been rejected or simply replies like "Your mod sucks".
At the end of the day you might understand the reasoning behind our rules or not. But these rules have stood the test of time and we won't change them.
And, by the way, these rules were in effect long before we had anything like the recruitment depot. That the recruitment depot is currently down is no justification to change our forum rules even temporarily.
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So the main reason is to give the moderators an easier job?
Couldn't they just delete the flame-ish posts?
Anyway, I can see your not gonna consider this, so I'll not even try to argue anymore.
I give up
How long until th recruitment depot is up?
Is it gonna be a week? Month? 3 months?
Not "When it's done", but a date would be nice
Sorry
- Ben
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DBR_ONIX,
I can understand the frustration, but for the moment a "When its done" is all we can offer. :(
Currently our coders are very busy with RL, but rest assured we're not sitting on our laurels over this.
I'm currently doing a crash course in PHP to get in there myself and fix it. ;)
So until my PHP skills reach a level where the cause of the problem becomes visible, we're still stuck with a broken depot.
At a rough guess, less than a month at this point in time, may be sooner. :)
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Good Luck Noon, you'll need it ;) (my run-in with PHP was a frustrating experience >:( )
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Hmmmm
PHP = Possible Headache Protocol
Planck
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The recruitment depot is down because we don't have enough coders, and we can't hire any more coders because the recruitment depot is down. ;)
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he he Artak. ;D
For those checking the Depot...
IT IS STILL BROKEN
...even though you can now fill out the Submit screen.
So don't post about that issue, please. :)
Cheers.
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So the main reason is to give the moderators an easier job?
Couldn't they just delete the flame-ish posts?
This reply tells me that you have no idea what it's like to run a forum of our size. You obviously haven't worked an a bigger forum yet. Then you'd realize how naive your statement is.
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DBR_ONIX,
I can understand the frustration, but for the moment a "When its done" is all we can offer. :(
Currently our coders are very busy with RL, but rest assured we're not sitting on our laurels over this.
I'm currently doing a crash course in PHP to get in there myself and fix it. ;)
So until my PHP skills reach a level where the cause of the problem becomes visible, we're still stuck with a broken depot.
At a rough guess, less than a month at this point in time, may be sooner. :)
Hmm, if you want, I can help you out with your PHP stuff
I learned it about 2 years ago (Out of a few books and about 4000 websites ::))...
I'd be happy to help, esp if gets the recrutment depot up faster :P
My my is dbrweb @ hotmail .com
(I tried to PM you, but it gave an error thing, about invalid username or I'm on your ignore list..)
If not, thats fine, just a suggestion
- Ben
PS, yes, I know how hard it is to moderate a large forum, but it is still possible to delete posts, or even just replace the contents with a "deleted by moderator for flaming" message, and if you get more mods, it would spread the load a lot more..
Nevermind though, you don't have to listen to me.
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I think that DBR's idea is sound. A temp thread would work in the short term and I also believe that any negative posts would probably not matter. After all, Ofpec in my opinion is a site which is mainly aimed at the more mature and professional Player. Surely any moron who wants to start flamewars or diss someone's mod would surely be ignored. I know that some people would take the bait, but I feel that as a whole, such things would be ignored by the more mature users.
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DBR_ONIX,
I appreciate the offer and will keep it in mind, but at this point in time we'll pass on the offer as we're making progress with the Depot. :)
The-Architect,
We'll be sticking to our guns over the anti-advertising rule.
As explained by Sefe, and other Admins over the last couple of years, we have it there for a reason (same reason as before we created the Recuitment Depot), and at this stage there isn't a need to revoke it even temporarily.
The better solution is simply to fix the depot in the first instance.
PS: DBR_ONIX, IM's don't have an ignore function, so I'm sure the error was just a 'hiccup'. Send me the error via email if its a regular one.
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Okay
Take it still no date as for when it'll be up?
BTW, I might have changed the name or something accidently.. Dunno why it didn't work.. Nevermind :P
- Ben
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Right!
You can now insert, alter and delete submissions to the Recruitment Depot. :thumbsup:
But!
For the moment, they can't be unpended.
That's till a few days away yet (hopefully).
So, feel free to go nuts and input your ads, they just won't be visible on the main page yet.
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Woooo etc!!
Good good :D
What do you mean by "they just won't be visible on the main page yet. " though?
They won't apper next to the "Lastest forum posts" and "Latest addons" etc on the index page?
Glad to hear it
You can prob now lock/delete this thread, if you want?
- Ben
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You can prob now lock/delete this thread, if you want?
They could have done it anytime they wanted, because they have the poowah. ;D
I think Noon means that the submissions for vacancies don't apear in the recruitment depot main page. Maybe because the submissions have to be unpended by staff and that can't be done yet.
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:D 100% FIXED :D
Now go forth and multiply, my pretty's! ;)
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:D:D:D
Good news :D
So it didn't take a month then ;)
:D
- Ben
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So it didn't take a month then ;)
And if it would have taken a year, you wouldn't have a reason (or the right) to complain. Nobody who's running the site is gettin paid for it and the only reward is getting pressure by people who take everything for granted and complain if not everything is running 100% smoothly.
If this would be a site we'd get paid for (which would essentially mean that our visitors would be paying for it), then people could expect that everything is working all the time. As this isn't the case you can expect that not everything is working all the time. So nobody has the right for this "do it and do it now"-attitude that we constantly have to face.
And thank you for telling us when to lock and delete threads. We're successfully running this site for more than two years now but we still appreciate very much when people tell us how to do our jobs. We know that we could do so much better. But somehow our stubborness tells us to rather listen to our experience than to people who know so much better than we.
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Argh.. The reason I said :
So it didn't take a month then
Is because Noon (I'm sure) said this :
At a rough guess, less than a month at this point in time, may be sooner.
Sorry, but I don't "take the site for granted", this thread started out as a idea to stop people from asking about "getting the recruitment depoty up now", "why isn't it working" etc, but letting people recruit in one thread here.
The reason I said could you lock the topic, not because I'm telling you "how to do your job", just because this thread is completly useless now, as the recruitment depot is now back up, and, like now, it is getting kinda out of hand..
Like I've said, you don't have to listen to me.. You don't have to listen to anyone, really.. But it's a good idea most of the time
Also, I do almost all my web-design work for free, and I am happy to have people "complain", it's usefull to let me know what I need to do/improve etc
I am aware you don't get paid for this (Hey, it would be good if you did though :P)
But somehow our stubborness tells us to rather listen to our experience than to people who know so much better than we.
So you know best about mod-ing the forums, maybe so, but you can still listen to people.
So nobody has the right for this "do it and do it now"-attitude that we constantly have to face.
I never said "do it now" or anything, I was tring to stop people saying that about the recruitment depot..
Sorry for any inconveninces this thread has cause
Sorry, but I'm annoyed at this.
Sorry >:(
- Ben
BTW, the "So it didn't take a month ;)" thing was intended as a joke, but I'm sorry if you didn't understand this
BTW2, I'll use the Solved button so lock this thread (In a way)
Thanks to the people who supported me with this :)
And if it would have taken a year, you wouldn't have a reason (or the right) to complain. Nobody who's running the site is gettin paid for it and the only reward is getting pressure by people who take everything for granted and complain if not everything is running 100% smoothly.
If this would be a site we'd get paid for (which would essentially mean that our visitors would be paying for it), then people could expect that everything is working all the time. As this isn't the case you can expect that not everything is working all the time. So nobody has the right for this "do it and do it now"-attitude that we constantly have to face.
And thank you for telling us when to lock and delete threads. We're successfully running this site for more than two years now but we still appreciate very much when people tell us how to do our jobs. We know that we could do so much better. But somehow our stubborness tells us to rather listen to our experience than to people who know so much better than we.