UK Special Forces

[andy51]

Can someone please start making some British Special Forces. There is about a million(no exageration ;D) US Special Forces out and a load are in production too. Im looking forward to them, especially Bibmi's ones, but there are already loads of quality US SF out especially the likes of Delta and the SEALs. I know www.ofp.info/sasmod are making SAS units (duh), but I think we also need

SBS!: No one has yet made any Special Boat Service units (Falklands MOD are going to make some from '82) that are modern. This I would like to see, along with a fast attack boat like the ones they use.

Mountain/Artic Warfare Cadre Marines: To my knowledge none of these guys have been made, and they are damn cool.

Para Pathfinders: I know someone made some desert pathfinders (Bibmi?), they were good, but there should be some like those paras that were realeased with helmets, that were also air units, as they looked excellent.

RAF Regiment:These guys are meant to be some of the toughest guys in our services, and again I think Bibmi made some desert versions, but there should also be some green versions to guard airfields etc.

And again more SAS units in different cams- jungle maybe for Sierra Leone missions, and without berets on please.

Well, enough of my ranting :-X

[andy51]

Sorry Admin, can you move this to Addons:Ideas, as i put it in the wrong section

[Chomps]

Bibmi has some very nice looking UK special forces troops, which I suppose he will work on after his US Special Forces.

[andy51]

Yeah they are very nice, but I expect he has a lot of work to do ;D

[Donnervogel]

http://lostbrothers.ofpmatch.com/

[The Edge]

LB site is down for the time being, until they get their DNS sorted out.

[Donnervogel]

However. They're working on some SAS units.

[andy51]

Yeah I knew that too.  ;D

[Marsuitor]

They were working on some SAS units. Since the person in charge of that project went off to the German army, it's been put on hold (That would most likely mean cancelled as the rest of the team is not interested in taking up the effort...)

[screamingeagle_101]

Eh, the Brit's don't have a jungle DPM. We use the woodland.

[andy51]

Fair enough, but you could add some headbands or boonie hats or something.

*OFF TOPIC*

Did you see the last Ultimate Force. I wanted to watch it but it wasnt on at the usual time, and i havent seen it since. I think henno gets kicked out in it.

[ZIKAN]

Eh, the Brit's don't have a jungle DPM. We use the woodland.

'Tropicals' as they are known, is what  your talking about. Its basicly a thin long sleeved shirt and combat trouses. Its the same DPM pattern as the regular issue jackets and trouses, but just made of a lightweight material instead.

[Mr_Shady]

I hope someone makes some SAS and SBS units. As long as they don't wear helmets (they usually just wear bobcaps or bush hats in the junglies, or nowt at all) and have decent webbing I'll be happy. I wish it was possible to make units swim, becuase some SBS combat swimmers would be ace... just imagine hopping out of your Gemini off the coast and swimming in, coming ashore near some coastal defences at midnight, creeping up towards the pillboxes, then getting in, topping the defenders with a Welrod .38 and rigging the bunkers with enough PE4 to put them into orbit... then paddling back to the Gemini and watching the enemy defences go bang.

Some UK special forces vehicles would be cool, like:

-Gemini inflatables
-Rigid Raiders
-Pinky 110s
-Canoes (the SBS use them, as well as the SAS Boat Troop guys)
-A steerable parachute (square canopy) for SAS Air Troop HAHO insertions... just imagine sailing in over the enemy lines at 2000 feet, before gently landing in someone's back yard and slotting them

Just some thoughts. But if anyone makes any SAS or SBS with the SA80 I'll poke myself in the eye. They trialed it in the jungle, then discarded (with the exception of ops in NI, where they sometimes masquerade as regular squaddies).

[andy51]

Just some thoughts. But if anyone makes any SAS or SBS with the SA80 I'll poke myself in the eye. They trialed it in the jungle, then discarded (with the exception of ops in NI, where they sometimes masquerade as regular squaddies).

Too late ;D The Viking(I think) SAS units came out a few days ago with SA80s and, wait for it, berets! Im not about to knock someones addon, but i have seen too many SAS addons which are just british camo with a beige beret. Im pretty sure they dont use their berets on ops EVER, especially stuff where they "arent there" as it would be pretty hard to deny if they had big fat berets with SAS badges on. Please someone just make some SAS guys with wooly/beanie hats, boonie hats or no hats at all. They do wear helmets but probably not that often for various reasons, and not in the jungle. Some nice black CRW guys would make a change also, as would more SBS guys, they are at present a little bit underrepresented in OFP, just because there not as famous.

[screamingeagle_101]

Well, the SAS have once worn there Beige Beret on the early operations in Northern Island, patolling ops though.

[KevBaz]

Us at the falkalnds mod are making SAS and SBS units, they will not have berets or helmates but their normal wollen hat, also the proper webbing will be made, along with rigid raiders and geminis, canoes was talked about but their aint a padle animation

[Bibmi]

The Viking SAS addon is based on one of my first addons...well before Oxygen was released and well before we even had the ability to edit p3d files...All we could do is edit the texture files, hence the black ops model and russian beret model. I've been speaking with Viking and a few others and we're putting together a little team to release not only UK special forces but also regular infantry...

[andy51]

Excellent.

[viper172]

exellent news

[Mr_Shady]

Well, the SAS have once worn there Beige Beret on the early operations in Northern Island, patolling ops though

Not being funny, but I doubt that very much. It's dangerous enough patrolling NI with british DPM, let alone a beret which anyone with a little knowledge of the Regiment would recognise... The SAS rarely patrol in the provinces, if they do it's in civvies and they're looking for someone, or very occasionally they tag along with regular patrols in normal gear so they can slip into OPs without getting any unwanted attention.

The problem with making SAS addons is that they have webbing however they want (stemming from Malaysia, I think) and they often carry much more than could be simulated in OFP. Look at the Bravo Two Zero patrol. They carried:

-Either a 203 or a Minimi
-LOTS of bullets, both in mags and links for the Minimis
-One WP and one HE grenade (typically)
-Trauma kit
-Specialist kit (Medical, Demo, Sigs)
-A TACBE
-Equipment for making an LUP
-Sangbags
-Beltkit
-Fighting knife/bayonet
-A 66 rocket (LAW)
-203 bombs (if carrying a 203, otherwise more rounds)
-Claymores
-Elsies

All this added up to about 15st. Now look at OFP grunt, wheezing like an 80 year old asthmatic ant with heavy shopping, just carrying his rifle, six mags and four grenades... poor lad  

[woofer]

Not being funny, but I doubt that very much. It's dangerous enough patrolling NI with british DPM, let alone a beret which anyone with a little knowledge of the Regiment would recognise...

The problem with making SAS addons is that they have webbing however they want (stemming from Malaysia, I think) and they often carry much more than could be simulated in OFP.

I would like to see photographic ervidence that the regiment patrolled in their lids...

without critisisng ofp, which is the best by far, everyone carries what they like these days and it is generally more than is simulated. For instance, how do you simulate your arms going dead from the weight of your bergen?

[Mr_Shady]

Good point.

Just a thought, but who is bothered in a game about dying, and not the prospect of restarting? I think that if you had something like a car battery wired to your nads and got shocked when you were hurt, everyone would play to win online  ;D

The Falklands mod Marines look good. Nice work KevBaz et al  

[woofer]

Good point.

Just a thought, but who is bothered in a game about dying, and not the prospect of restarting? I think that if you had something like a car battery wired to your nads and got shocked when you were hurt, everyone would play to win online  ;D

Your turn to me laugh out loud :cheers:

Taking it a stage further, you could have replace the squad piccy on the side of vehicles with a webcam piccy of said nads. Then you could instantly see how well you were doing as you see smoke rising from the seared flesh of your opponent...

[woofers gfriend stops reading over shoulder, says something about sick b*stards and goes off to iron noisily]

Back on topic, are the Arctic Mountain Warfare Troop still on the books? Talking to a Royal last year who said they'd sacked it.

[Mr_Shady]

I hope they are, those lads are some the hardest b****rds in the world. Anyone hear about that thing in the Falklands where they scaled an impassable ridge and then caned the Argies? If that isn't hard as nails then what is?

Bloody governments. I almost hope we get invaded so Tony Blair can see what a mess he's made as our three-strong army gets rammed by the enemy hordes...

[Jinef]

Maybe the ratio of US addons to SAS reflects real life.

US "Special" forces - 46000
SAS - 350

But then again they call the rangers special forces.

The Ghurkas in my opinion are one of the elite services even though the Army tried to screw them over. Mainly because they are loyal, fitter than your average squaddie and gifted in warfare - look how badly they f***ed us up! lol

I would call the SEALs and Delta special forces, but not rangers and marines. I saw a program on American TV about their Special forces. They are taken from infantry like ours then taught how to mapread and use a compass! these are skills that are bog standard in the British infantry. If you cannot run 26 miles up and down then back over Pen y Fan at a constant pace of 5 mph while remembering series of numbers and grid coordinates which you have to recite at checkpoints to get your next set of coordinates and numbers so that you can get to your next RV!

I hate the SA80 too, the balance puts too much weight in your right arm, it doesn't jam much but the firing pins sometimes break and the safety has diabolicaly stupid design.

[Mr_Shady]

Personally, I think that the US/UK Special Forces addons reflect the casualties taken... no matter how hard they think they are, the Yanks just aren't bullet proof...

(That wasn't a serious comment, by the way. Keep your skirts on)

Most of the [sarcasm]elite[/sarcasm] US units are pretty average. And after reading Blackhawk Down, I have no sympathy for any US soldiers getting blown up because I thought that was a dull, annoying, terrible book. Just my POV.

[woofer]

I was on an excercise when we bumped into some USMC.

We got chatting, and started comparing command kit. Their squad leader had the radio, a map and a notebook. No compass.

Brit Section Commander. Radio, 2 compasses, bino's, model kit, orders book, etc: Approx 10lbs of command kit, give or take the odd pencil.

My point is that the corps squad leader was just that. He got pointed in the right direction and off he went. He gets artillary from the attached Forward Obs Officer, AT from the attack helo, bombs galore from Ground Attack, and there is even a platoon medic to stick tubes in you if you bleed. An american soldier also gets the best logistical support available. It is a different way of going to war. This all goes to rats when the personalities who are there for the guy with the bayonet start going down.

In my opinion The Blackhawk Down episode went bad because the plan was flawed. No-one thought that the Somalies could bring down a helicopter because they didn't have AA missiles.

But then again there are British cockups too. The military tourism that ended with the death of a SAS trooper. And don't get me started on B20. Another patrol commander got off the chopper, looked at the ground, got back on and scrubbed the mission because it wasn't like the ground they'd planned for.

Respect to all of the troops that were in the sh*t in Iraq and Somalia. They did the best they could when the baloon went up...

Back to Brit Soldier addons. My opinion is Helmets and floppy hats, unless you have a story to tell about a regiment, then you put lids on them.

But do we need a different addon for every unit? We could end up with an SBS op with black CRW kit and a SAS op with black CRW kit and very little difference apart from the title. An Army Cadet gets a uniform that isn't much different to the DPM uniform issued to a SAS soldier.

Wetsuits (either SBS/SAS) Black balaclavas (CRW - either) and good old DPM in normal and desert should just about cover it.

At present I would encourage the contstruction of Brit Weapons - SA80, LSW, L96, GPMG, GPMG (SF), Milan - OFP provides the M16's, M203's and (a tactically piss poor) .50.

[Jinef]

The yanks just haven't got the experience yet. They've only been around for a while. No worries though, with GWB in the lead they're gonna get loads of practice in!

Yeah the SAS guys should either have long hair or hats with grass in. You basically want anything on your head that cannot be recognised as a head, break up your outline and lie in DPMs and you're fine.

If we do have SAS units i would like to see some good ol british choppers like gazelles, westlands and pumas. Don't bother with the deathtrap chinooks, they'll rip themselves apart before they get from A to B.

[Bibmi]

Guys,...lets keep this addon related and not let it degenerate into my special forces are better than yours....or it gets locked  

woofer, with regard to the textures...they aren't really an issue...subtle differences can be made in the cpps that alter the skills and proficiencies of a unit...hence your SAS units would be superior in a firefight compared to your average soldier. Hence the number of pbo's and then there are the finer details that people tend to remark on...correct insignia or lack thereof, LBE, etc...

The use of berets may not be "realiistic" but help to make that unit standout. But fear not we plan to add a beret model as well as helmeted model for the RAFreg, RMs and Paras...as well as some other surprises... ;D

[Jinef]

Making the DPMs have a hood like the falklands war mod has done adds to the realism. (Some of you are probably making/helping with that mod)

Fine to have berets with just DPMs and say a pistol but not with full webbing, m16 law launcher, camo face paint and then have a nice and clean sand coloured beret perked on his head!

[Mr_Shady]

A really good mod would be a WW2 SAS campaign, doing raids against the Italian airstrips in Africa, into France and Italy, then the final few ops in Germany... just to have a go of those twin Vickers K guns ;D



OFF-TOPIC

Just for the stubborness factor, not serious, don't ban or kill me please:

Our SF clearly are better though... j/k

[andy51]

That would be pretty cool. The SAS MOD are doing that, providing they are actually still around.

*OFF TOPIC*

Our SF clearly are better though... j/k

Just to add fuel to the fire, i read that royal marine training is harder and more strenuous than SEAL training. And RMs arent officially SF.

[andy51]

AAGH SAS MOD is dead!!!

NOOOO!!!

[Ferret Fangs]

I guess it's kind of difficult to judge how tough one units training is compared to another, if you yourself haven't actually attended or completed either, right?
I'm really getting tired of the insulting manner in which our English brethren insist on using in coversation about us "Yanks". Do you hear this crap coming from us about you, or any of our allies? I mean can't you just grow up a little, pack it in, and leave the insults out of the public forums... or are you compensating for some short coming?
I guess this is going to piss some people off, but I'm just sick of hearing this BS.
And BTW, my last name is Gibbs, and I'm of English backgound. I've lived in Britain, and consider myself an English-American... But I am a loyal American patriot first, and the insults are childish, baseless, and annoying.
Say what you like, it's your right of course, but can't you find some other anti-American hate group, or "If it's not English it's Shite" forum or something?

Go on, fire away....

[Bibmi]

Well...I hate to do this, but I issued a warning and it was blatantly ignored so I'm locking the thread.